2022-23 Niner Basketball šŸ€

Why even play D3 schools?

And Davidson struggled with Guilford?

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Queens beat marshall!! Too funny! :rofl:

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Judy comes up because she was here for so long and because some of her decisions we are still dealing with. You literally canā€™t talk Charlotte athletics past without her name being involved, especially if it is related to current AD performance because weā€™ve only had 2 ADs in the last 30 plus years. Sheā€™s the only comparison we really have.

Now I do agree that our current performance of football and basketball has very little to do with her. Itā€™s up to Mike to make these things work.

Back to the thread topic though - last night was fun. Coppin maybe terrible, but we handled them all night and did what we should have done. Onto game 2!

Good for them. I was following the score untl I saw them go down 10 and assumed it was over. Glad to see they came back and won their first D1 game.

No lead is too big for Marshall to blow.

Iā€™ll go along with dismissing the Covid year but yeah, Sanchez has been a disaster. Those records you posted are against horrible, horrible schedules and this years is worse, by far. Weā€™re in a Godawful conference and donā€™t even come close to competing. Everybody knows it, thatā€™s why you can have a convo with someone across the court during the game. No interest or buzz whatsoever.

I graduated in 88 so I guess Iā€™m spoiled by being able to see a quality team playing other quality teams and having a chance to win. Hell, Sanchez basically admitted weā€™re a minor league program now just here to feed better schools a good transfer if someone comes here and plays well.

That mindset absolutely has to change with the move to the AAC. Look, that league isnā€™t now (and wonā€™t be in the future) one of the elite leagues, but itā€™s no slouch either. These are teams competing for at large bids and not just willing to offer up their champion as a play in game sacrificial lamb like CUSA has done for years.

Any basketball coach we have cannot have such a small time mindset. It doesnā€™t align with the fanbase or more importantly the league itself.

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I cant totally disagree with ya. In a league like this near .500 feels like a 5 win season. The reality is for us to feel good 20 wins doesnā€™t even cut it. We have to either win the conference reg season or win the tournament or something. We havenā€™t been doing that. When you are mediocre in a bad league you might as well be bad. The neighborhood is about to change though and so we are going to have to shift perception on what success is. That isnā€™t moving the goal posts, it is acknowledging that winning in the AAC is going to be much more difficult. In CUSA the path to the NIT or NCAAs is so difficult because of the league dynamics. The AAC is going to be much tougher to win, but our goals are going to be easier to come by if we can do what we should. If this coach cant get that done, we will get one that can. The positive for me is it seems Ron has been more willing to shift his philosophies.

Speaking of change in philosophies, I donā€™t recall there being a shot clock violation last night. That is a big change.

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Before we put ourselves on moral high ground, and paint others as insensitive, did OUR team deal with these Covid related issues personally, or is this just speculation, are there factual stories about our players families affected by Covid, or again is this just speculation, how do you differentiate between bad coaching, and poor player execution, and the potential effects from Covid related trauma?

I know this for a fact. There werenā€™t stories released because unless the kids wanted to share it it wasnā€™t going to be put on blast and itā€™s not my place to say more than that. I canā€™t tell what was coivd related, what was coaching, what was performance. All I know is there were multiple rotational kids who had basketball as the last thing on their minds, so I am just going to go with that.

Define illogical levels, because we post negative comments on a forum, does that mean that we dont support the program, should we all develop an unrealistic optimism towards the trajectory of our most two influential sports programs, should we cheer and praise mediocrity and under achievement, isnt that mentality what put us in this position and status in the first place, vision and standards are what separates one program from another and if we lower the expectations on these principles we are doomed as a program, you may not agree with how our fan base channels their frustration and anger on this forum, but that does not mean that they are not real fans, which was the original theme of my response

For me itā€™s just when do you think you might be doing more damage than good? For instance, we want the stadium expanded. To do that we need more fans donating and buying tickets. Criticism that is valid and supported is fine and part of playing big boy college sports, but we also have to look and say does it help against the overall objectives of expanding the stadium. If I wanted Will fired and so to protest that he was still here I quit donating, it actually makes it harder to fire him and pay the next guy especially if I am encouraging others to follow my actions.

Which is why I mentioned that no matter how pissed off I have been in the past I have never stopped donating and I have never stopped coming to games. I have shifted perhaps. I stopped buying season tickets when we moved to the A10 and instead bought single game tickets, which actually cost me more - but because that is how I signaled my dissatisfaction. This year I moved from behind the bench in basketball to 226. Again this is to show my displeasure on where basketball currently is, but I will make up the funding difference in my annual gift. If I want Ron fired I canā€™t take funds away.

Iā€™ve always said my gift comes at a price and that price is I will say something when I think things are good and when things are bad. I try to be objective and realistic. We arenā€™t winning a natty in football. Or when the chancellor prepared unvi budgets for 50% state funding during covid and told Mike to put a hold on master plan which delayed itā€™s release. Or when I think extending Ron was stupid.

At the end of the day we all want for us to be better. I just try to look at what I am saying and doing and say is that helping or hurting.

And to be transparent my current position is if we want to win in the AAC we need more people and we need more money - so while I will not give them a pass on current performance, I am trying to keep things as positive as possible so that we attract more what I think it takes to win. There is a reason I invite every person to our tailgate. Because win the game or lose the game you are going to have fun. Iā€™ve sold season tickets this year not because of the game but because they had fun with Niners and I donā€™t get them coming out if Iā€™m overly negative. I know winning brings more people and is the ultimate sales tool, but this AD already knows that.

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Amen brother.

But this is a forum, a Charlotte 49ers sports forum, this is the one place that we can come to and vent our frustrations towards the state of our athletic program, and I dont understand how voicing our opinions, which are mostly negative hurts our program, but I understand what does hurt our program, and that is embracing the mediocrity and underachieving levels that we are at now, I personally criticize and make negative comment about our program because I know that we have the potential to be the next Cincinnati or Louisville, and I am frustrated that we fail to live up to that potential, some of us may not have the time and money to go to as many games or donate as much money as others on this forum, but that doesnt make us any less of a fan or make our opinions insignificant, we all have different levels of resources to contribute, but again, this is a collegiate forum to discuss, vent, and debate topics that affect our university, especially in the realm of athletics, and a poor product is going to generate negative comments, but that does not negate our support of our university or athletic program, or reflect on us as a fan base

Agree. But dude itā€™s called a periodā€¦.

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I think you would be hard pressed finding anyone on this forum that accepts mediocrity.

My thing has always been what are YOU gonna do about it. There is always something you can do. We get the term 40-whiners legitimately sometimes. I Complained our marketing sucks so Iā€™ve helped go do something about that. Iā€™ve said our intros in football and basketball have sucked and Iā€™ve tried to help that. Our gear selection sucks but I buy things when I can from retailers that stock out stuff.

I canā€™t hire the coach. I can donate to help hire a better coach. I canā€™t fire Ron, but I can go and try to make Halton harder to win in. I canā€™t make the stadium expansion happen but I can blast out on social media that we are on the cusp and people should join us.

So by all means vent about the things we arenā€™t happy about. Right now about the only thing Iā€™m not happy about is basketball and since we just started the season no reason to be negative yet. Maybe Ron puts it all together this year. Mike handled football, canā€™t say anything about that for now. Conference move, facilities, other sports - looks good to me. Not happy with how soccer finished but that program is fine. Baseball looks good. Womanā€™s basketball won last year. Operating budget has increased, donor base has increased.

I think our in game experience could be better at basketball and football, overall though I feel really good about where we are.

If we go get throttled at Davidson though all bets are off.

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NA, this kind of the chicken/egg question.

Iā€™ve been around and spent a lot of money for a long damn time. Itā€™s gotten old and frankly Iā€™m tired of the product being put on display.

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Thats a legit complaint. Trust me it sure isnt the performance that has kept me around.