Rio Valley in the last 5 years has lead the D league in 3’s and has won 2 championships and played in another finals and lost in the Semi Finals this year. I’d say that’s a pretty good endorsement that high volume 3 point shooting teams can be successful.
Did you even look at his highlight reel? You can find Jordan bloopers if you really want to.
He’s a career 47% shooter from 2 pointers and 37% from 3 pointers as a shooting guard. If he takes atrocious shots he sure hits a hell of a lot of them.
The team with the highest 3 pt attempts in the nation for at least the past 15 yrs have never won a national championship or even made a final 4. Id say thats a pretty good endorsement that you have no idea what you are talking about
Did you even look at his highlight reel? You can find Jordan bloopers if you really want to.
He’s a career 47% shooter from 2 pointers and 37% from 3 pointers as a shooting guard. If he takes atrocious shots he sure hits a hell of a lot of them.[/quote]
No didnt watch his highlight reel because in the sport of basketball, more happens in a game then what goes on a highlight reel. I have seen him play in real life however, and hes a headcase streak shooter who dogs it on d and is a locker room problem. Hang around here an we will teach you about basketball yet
:)) the NBA and College basketball have already increased their percentages of 3’s as entire leagues the last 20 years, so much so in college they moved the line back when it hit a nation average of teams taking 38% of their shots from 3. You are like the old far that’s still holding on if you can’t look around and already see the progression in basketball towards the 3 point game.
West Liberty was a 4-23 nothing when Jim Chrunchfield took over and that team led D2 in three point attempts and was in the national championship game this year, and have won 30+ games the last 5 years. There are already teams implementing it on the lower levels of college ball and pro ball. It’s going to make it’s way up the ladder.
For JR to be a “streaky” shooter his a career 47% shooter from two and 37% from 3, certainly streaks out with the best of them at SG because those are very good career percentages. Hell Jordan shot 49.5% from 2 and 32.7% even with 2 years where the 3 point line was closer and he hit most of his three’s.
You dont’ have to watch a highlight reel just look at his stats. That’s a much truer picture of his entire season or career than you watching a handful of games cause I know you don’t watch every minute he plays of the 82 games nor could you really even process that. You watch a few and throw in your dumb OPINION. The fact his he’s scored very effiecently his career.That’s a fact.
Hell if you just want to look at some game in some games he looks like Jordan. What if you only watched those?
Shockingly, no team that has led the league in 3 pt attempts has even made an NBA finals in at least the past 15 yrs. This is shocking to me considering that one NBA D league team shoots a lot of em. Figured they would be the rule and not the exception. Arent you shocked too SJ?
The defending champ Heat shot the 6th most attempts last year.
The Knicks set the NBA record for attempts and were the 2 seed and won 54 games.
Most of the top 3 point attempt teams were in the playoffs.
You could find plenty of nationally ranked successful college teams shooting tons of three’s as well.
Kirk Hinrich?
Welcome to the future of basketball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5m1GghFRUY&list=PLQK6nu7nx46zgC54cnfWCOB2Vfohbi_Ja
http://grantland.com/features/nba-dleague-rgv-vipers-houston-rockets-future-of-basketball/
They shot 45+ three’s a game and were one of the top teams in the DLeague.
If you really can’t see basketball and how far it has moved towards this ALREADY then you are completely blind. The NBA has already went from 5% of shots to 20% or something like that from 3’s on average. Three’s and layups has been the trend for years now for most winning teams it’s just been identified more recently but the fact is most of the winning teams were doing this already, they’ve tracked it.
The 3 point shooters also tend to get to the free throw line less. Free throw points may be taken into account in the scoring %, but it doesn't account for other limitations of fouling, such as players getting into foul trouble and having to sit, and teams being forced to play softer defense or double more when a player gets into foul trouble.
Players don’t foul out often in the NBA number one with 6 fouls. #2 taking jumpshots inside the arch are really no more likely to be a foul as many are fade aways to get it off and who do you think is drawing fouls under the basket mostly? Dwight Howard? Even if it’s a bunch of 75% shooters that’s almost as good as a turnover in many cases if you come away with less than 2 points which is usual for most high ft rate players to be sorry at the FT line. It’s usually not the types shooting 90% that draw the fouls.[/quote] Do you disagree with the inconsistency comment? I can’t tell given you posted that a D-league team is demonstrating the future of basketball to us. The D-league is all about shooting instantly, it’s like juco for the NBA. I’m not surprised you would bring that up actually.
Yes, there are other players drawing fouls on the drive than Howard and plenty of them shoot pretty decent ft percentages. In fact, Howard is the only player in the top 20 in FTA’s who shoots under 70%. And players do get in foul trouble and have to sit for time during the game that they’d otherwise play, even if it’s not as much as college. And a long rebound is more likely to start a fast break, and the shooter is usually not in the best position to get back to defend that break (unless they are top of the key, but even then they usually require time to turn and chase). Nice try with the diversions though.
No one is saying that every shot should be a 2 pointer, just that too heavy reliance on 3’s has tradeoffs that even out the scoring advantage.
This is proceeding like every other “discussion” with you on this and other boards. A bunch of non sequiturs and cherry-picked stats. Maybe we can wait and see what teams are willing to give up for Smith in the offseason, given the Knicks strangely don’t recognize his wondrous value and would love to trade him.
[quote=“StillJonesing, post:147, topic:27928”]The defending champ Heat shot the 6th most attempts last year.
The Knicks set the NBA record for attempts and were the 2 seed and won 54 games.
Most of the top 3 point attempt teams were in the playoffs.
You could find plenty of nationally ranked successful college teams shooting tons of three’s as well.[/quote]
I’m a little buzzed right now but I’m pretty sure the Knicks are drinking with me. Right, Carmelo??
Effective FG% is a statistic that adjust for the fact that 3 pointers are worth more than 2 pointers. The fact is JR Smith is still getting point value on his shots because he hits a lot of 3 pointers atrocious or not he scores on a great percentage of his shots for a wing.
Career Effective FG%
.514% Bird
.509% JR Smith
.509% Jordan
.506% Wade
.495% Drexler
.487% Kobe
.483% Carmelo[/quote]
Legit question - are you autistic?[/quote]
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So I bring up this topic to laugh a little at the fact that a lot of people were saying the Jefferson move wouldn’t help the Bobcats, and now we have someone arguing with irrelevant garbage statistics that a garbage bench player on a garbage non playoff team in a garbage conference is better than Kobe Bryant.
am i missing something or is this a thing that’s actually taking place
Tony Parker scores 32 in game 7 and ave 20 ppg in the series. He averaged 17 ppg in the reg season.
Strictly in terms of Marion, you’d get him maybe for 2 years. If it works as you predict, you move up in the standings. But moving up in the standings that way doesn’t really move you in the direction of actually contending for a title. Also, moving up in the standings worsens your draft pick. Worsening your draft pick is not rebuilding. So in 2 years you have to fill Marion’s spot on the roster, with a worse draft pick to do it with it.
That’s more due to the fact that Poppavich notoriously gives his guys extra rest and runs a deeper rotation during the season.
There’s no way Steve Clifford brings a guy in like Smith who won’t play defense.
Popovich didn’t play a single player 30 or more minutes in the regular season, helps to play more minutes, shoot more, and shoot more ineffeicently. All his others numbers were down as well. Parker’s Player Effiency Rating during the playoffs was 16.1 (adjusted average of the NBA is 15.0). The bottom line is the guy is 6 foot tall and he did a good job on him as a friggen 8 seed took the #1 seed defending western conf champs to 7 games. It’s just amazing a 6-8 guy can even guard a top notch 6 foot PG and then go guard PF’s too and everything in between too.
As far as your draft picks who friggen cares. The Bobcat’s are a playoff team, you want a good seed and homecourt. You are talking about what 5 stupid spots probably been somewhere between 19-24 as your pick. Who do you even think you are getting there.
Popovich didn’t play a single player 30 or more minutes in the regular season, helps to play more minutes, shoot more, and shoot more ineffeicently. All his others numbers were down as well. Parker’s Player Effiency Rating during the playoffs was 16.1 (adjusted average of the NBA is 15.0). The bottom line is the guy is 6 foot tall and he did a good job on him as a friggen 8 seed took the #1 seed defending western conf champs to 7 games. It’s just amazing a 6-8 guy can even guard a top notch 6 foot PG and then go guard PF’s too and everything in between too.
As far as your draft picks who friggen cares. The Bobcat’s are a playoff team, you want a good seed and homecourt. You are talking about what 5 stupid spots probably been somewhere between 19-24 as your pick. Who do you even think you are getting there.[/quote]
When will you confirm or deny that Kirk Hinrich, if he shot as much as JR Smith, would too be one of the best shooters of all time?
Hinrich shot almost 4% lower on 2’s than Smith over his career and has never been asked to shoot as many three. If his job was to be a heat check guy primarly to score off the bench as a top option like Smith when he was in the game I expect his percentages would take a slight dip as well. To answer you question no, when he can’t hit 2’s nearly as well and takes a lot less 3’s and very likely uncontested ones.
Popovich didn’t play a single player 30 or more minutes in the regular season, helps to play more minutes, shoot more, and shoot more ineffeicently. All his others numbers were down as well. Parker’s Player Effiency Rating during the playoffs was 16.1 (adjusted average of the NBA is 15.0). The bottom line is the guy is 6 foot tall and he did a good job on him as a friggen 8 seed took the #1 seed defending western conf champs to 7 games. It’s just amazing a 6-8 guy can even guard a top notch 6 foot PG and then go guard PF’s too and everything in between too.
As far as your draft picks who friggen cares. The Bobcat’s are a playoff team, you want a good seed and homecourt. You are talking about what 5 stupid spots probably been somewhere between 19-24 as your pick. Who do you even think you are getting there.[/quote]
I like Marion and I agree he is a freak athlete. We just disagree on whether bringing him in when you’re rebuilding is a smart move. Like I said before if you think you’re contending for a title, sure bring him in. If you’re not contending for a title then you’re only making your team marginally better for a couple of years and potentially worse after he’s gone.
As far as the draft picks, I think that’s first time I’ve heard someone say it doesn’t matter where you pick.