Curtis Withers Pre-Draft Camp

919R · June 7, 2006, 5:08pm

Dude,
It has NOTHING to do with having FAITH in my team. I LOVE the Niners and I LOVE Curt. The REALITY of the situation is that he is NOT an NBA skilled player…he’s just not.

That statement doesn’t make me any less of a Niner fan…it’s just a fact. The ONLY thing Curt does at an NBA level is rebound. He has poor hands for Div1 College…He has an average offensive game by Div1 standards and is average at best defensively by Div1 standards.

I wish he could make it in the NBA and promote our program but it’s not going to happen. The Ben Wallace comparison was awful…not even close. Curt is a great guy and a great representative of this University…but he’s not an NBA player. Sorry if that hurts.

Again, Henry, Dink…and more positionally relevant…Jarvis and DeMarco had A LOT more talent than Curt and they never sniffed the NBA either.

It is what it is…but don’t insinuate that I’m not a fan of this school or of Curt simply because I can be objective and realistic.

Uhh KTown, Henry was drafted in the 2nd round by the Spurs and did play a little before going to Europe after Tarkanian was run off. Dink was drafted and played for the Rockets for 2 seasons (I believe) and even started for a while. Demarco was drafted by the Knicks but elected to go to Europe because of all the labor problems in the NBA at the time (and more guaranteed $$$). So, granted none of them were NBA All-Stars, but I believe they indeed did atleast “Sniff” the NBA, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good post!

KTown49er · June 7, 2006, 8:15pm

Wow…where to begin…

OK, Lefty.

I do believe I said I didn’t think Curt would be drafted…which is exactly what Mike said. Mike thinks he has a possibility of a look in the 2nd round but he ultimately feels he will NOT get drafted. I think that’s my point.

He also said that there are serviceable college players with NO NBA talent…which I agree with and put Curt into that category.

Mike also said the Ben Wallace comparison was too optimistic for even the most rabid Niner fan…which is what I said too.

So what are you talking about? Mike said he may have a possibility of getting looked at…are you going to pick that snippitt out and make an argument on that? Weak. Very weak.

Now, 919R:

I said those 4 players made their living and their game in Europe…and they did…and they all had ALOT more talent than Curt. You’re right, some of them made a brief appearance in the NBA…but that was not the argument. I said Curt will NOT be an NBA player but that he will make his money in Europe. He may make a summer league roster or get invited for tryouts or maybe even sit on a bench in the NBA for a season or so…but he will make his money in Europe because he does not have the talent to play in the NBA…and he doesn’t. Neither did Henry, Dink, Jarvis or DeMarco…who were all MUCH better players.

Again…weak attempt to twist what I’m saying just because it is not popular.

Finally…to NA

Please visit: [URL=http://www.ninernation.net/forum/showpost.php?p=168767#59]www.humblektownknowsall.com[/URL]

I still don’t understand why I get lambasted for being honest. I don’t claim to be able to predict the unimaginable…I just say what I see. I use facts to make my judgements…and I’m usually right because I do use FACTS.

Max, find ANY instance where I took an extreme stance on both sides of one issue…I dare you.

And on THIS issue about Curt. Everybody…consider the FACTS and honest observations that I am using and tell me where I am wrong.

Does Curt have NBA Offense for his position…NO
Does Curt play NBA calibre Defense for his position…NO
Does Curt have NBA calibre hands…NO
Does Curt have NBA calibre Ball Handling…NO
Does Curt have NBA calibre Rebounding…YES

Look at that…tell me where/how I’m wrong. And tell me how those traits=an NBA player of any kind. He will make his game and his money in Europe (just like Henry, Dink, Jarvis and DeMarco…who all had much more talent than he).

It’s not a bad thing. I’m not trying to be ill. I’m just stating FACTS. Why do you guys hate me for being honest? I just don’t get it.

Colorado49er · June 7, 2006, 8:26pm

It will be interesting to see how Curt does in Orlando. Also, has he been to any indivdidual workouts yet? The individual workouts can make or break a player. Rodney excelled at them which shot him up towards the top of the draft.

It would have been nice if Curt had performed better at Portsmouth. He was only average at best there and it takes a standout performance to get attention.

system · June 7, 2006, 8:43pm

KTown, I realize that this whole game is about you getting attention and declaring yourself the self appointed NNN knowitall, so I didn’t say anything last time. If you were so certain about what you had said, you wouldn’t have needed to go back 5 months prior to find some random corroborating post. As annoyingly repetitive as you are, you would have been singing it in your typically overblown ALL CAPS…

But you didn’t. No mention of it for months. Anyone can shotgun blast and get lucky once in a while. Doesn’t help you in the credibility department though.

Max nailed it. Sorry man, but it’s funny. I don’t know what the genesis is for your little rants, but they’re annoying. The simple fact of the matter is that they are just opinions, and no matter how many CAPs you use, the next guy’s is as valid as yours. Most of the time, in my experience, much moreso.

Also, it couldn’t reflect more poorly on our fanbase than your posts do.

MKNiner · June 7, 2006, 8:46pm

Fat girls need love too. But they gotta pay.

gotLutz · June 7, 2006, 8:50pm

What the hell are you people bitching about?? KTown is right.

All this started from this comment:

KTown ever heard of a guy named Ben wallace no offensive skill what so ever horrible free throw shooter but can Rebound like no-one else. Curt has more offensive skills than Ben and Ben is only an inch taller. Same build and everything.

I disagreed with the comparison. KTown disagreed with the comparison. Many people on here disagreed with the comparison. Nobody is putting Curt down or anything! Blasphemy! We love Curt! How the heck could you say something so ridiculous??

KTown is merely trying to point out that asserting that Curt has more skills than NBA Defensive Player of the Year Ben Wallace is a bit silly, not to take anything away from a great Niner, and a great basketball player.

Blah!! Done!! Finito!! Move on!!

BobandEd49er · June 7, 2006, 9:02pm

What the hell are you people bitching about?? KTown is right.
All this started from this comment:

I disagreed with the comparison. KTown disagreed with the comparison. Many people on here disagreed with the comparison. Nobody is putting Curt down or anything! Blasphemy! We love Curt! How the heck could you say something so ridiculous??

KTown is merely trying to point out that asserting that Curt has more skills than NBA Defensive Player of the Year Ben Wallace is a bit silly, not to take anything away from a great Niner, and a great basketball player.

Blah!! Done!! Finito!! Move on!!

Blah, enough of your nonsensical, mumbo jumbo ramblings Lutz!!! Who cares if it was a horrible comparison, and maybe, MAYBE, Ktown had some obscure point somewhere in his post? Get out of the way and let the Ktown bashing continue!!!

allie49er · June 7, 2006, 9:10pm

Three, did Curt switch teams or something? He’s not listed on this site as playing today: [URL=http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1331]http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1331[/URL]

survivor45 · June 7, 2006, 9:11pm

What the hell are you people bitching about?? KTown is right.
All this started from this comment:

I disagreed with the comparison. KTown disagreed with the comparison. Many people on here disagreed with the comparison. Nobody is putting Curt down or anything! Blasphemy! We love Curt! How the heck could you say something so ridiculous??

KTown is merely trying to point out that asserting that Curt has more skills than NBA Defensive Player of the Year Ben Wallace is a bit silly, not to take anything away from a great Niner, and a great basketball player.

Blah!! Done!! Finito!! Move on!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/luke_winn/08/01/inside.bkc/index.html

Maybe this article will help clear things up. Take your complaints to Kelvin Sampson - he started it.

Withers is one of two returning members from the '04 gold-medal-winning U-21 team. During that title run, he earned the nickname "Little [B]Ben Wallace[/B]" from Oklahoma coach [B]Kelvin Sampson[/B]. Withers, whose face bears a striking resemblance to Big Ben's, made the moniker a no-brainer showing up to the '04 trials sporting a picked-out afro -- a Wallace trademark.

Normmm · June 7, 2006, 9:11pm

Ktown,
Did you ever see Demarco or Jarvis play in person?

Mike_Persinger · June 7, 2006, 10:05pm

From Bonnell on Withers, available in tomorrow’s Observer:

Withers had nine points and seven rebounds in 22 minutes in his game Wednesday.

allie49er · June 7, 2006, 10:11pm

That’s pretty good.

Wonder how many free throws he made .

I don’t know why draft express didn’t mention him today.

system · June 7, 2006, 11:38pm

[QUOTE=KTown49er;176682] Neither did Henry, Dink, Jarvis or DeMarco…who were all MUCH better players.[/QUOTE]

I’ll agree…I think Curt is a fringe NBA player/likely Europeon star caliber guy, BUT…

Henry and Dink were guards, and obviously bad comparisons. Either way, both were small for NBA 2 guards and would have had to be staples of the league playing point which really was not their natural positions (especially Henry).

Jarvis was a stud/warrior, no question. But, he was a 6’5’’ 6’6’’ power forward, who had some of his athleticism robbed from his from a knee injury the previous year. He had no perimeter game, so him not making NBA should not surprise anyone.

DeMarco…sooo consistent and a scorer. But really, not athletic enough for the NBA. Curt is much more athletic, although doesn’t have 1/10th of the moves of DJ.

Curt is decently athletic, but not big enough. He’s got some skills but needs lots more. Popeye Jones? Hey, he might could be that guy, but its gonna take alot of work, even for that.

BobandEd49er · June 8, 2006, 1:23am

As much as I HATE to admit it, I can see Ktown’s point. In my opinion, Curt is not skillful enough for a 3 and not big enough for a 4. From the European teams I have seen, he is golden.

But that does not mean he can’t make it…Spud Webb and Mugsy, even though different positions, come readily to mind. C’mon, who thought 5’3" Mugsy would have any type of career in the NBA? Point is, it’s not impossible, but it will take a lot of dedication/determination on Curt’s part.

KTown49er · June 8, 2006, 1:33am

Ktown, Did you ever see Demarco or Jarvis play in person?

Yes.

I was in school with Jarvis. I was there from 1990-1994.

I’ve been a Season Tix holder since…so I’ve seen every player since in person.

I love College Basketball…and I love Niner Basketball.

FWIW.

KTown49er · June 8, 2006, 2:16am

As much as I HATE to admit it, I can see Ktown's point. In my opinion, Curt is not skillful enough for a 3 and not big enough for a 4. From the European teams I have seen, he is golden.

Wow.

BobandEd throwing out some charity for KTown!

Maybe if I would have said it as simply and as politely as you did…I wouldn’t have been attacked.

Thanks…and yes, I agree.

(yuck)

amnesiac · June 8, 2006, 3:19am

is the camp on ESPNU tomorrow ?

If so someone needs to give us a report.

BobandEd49er · June 8, 2006, 3:22am

Wow.
BobandEd throwing out some charity for KTown!

Maybe if I would have said it as simply and as politely as you did…I wouldn’t have been attacked.

Thanks…and yes, I agree.

(yuck)

Don’t push it…jackass.

BobandEd49er · June 8, 2006, 11:05am

I think a lot will depend on Curt's attitude and his dedication toward making it in the NBA or anywhere else. The ball is in his court. It's up to him to make it happen.
Good luck to you Curt.

Sorry Over, I think I said basically the same thing in my later post. Didn’t see this one or I would have just quoted you.

I told you…99% of the time we think alike…if you focus, it could be 100%.

919R · June 8, 2006, 2:17pm

Nice try K-Town, but I didn’t try to “twist” anything that you said…Where in my post did I say I disagreed about Curt’s NBA chances? …I actually agree that he is probably a long shot!..My post was only meant to point out that 3 of the 4 players you listed as not “sniffing the NBA” did in fact “sniff” it!..That was my only point (ie; you were wrong!).