I was in school with Jarvis. I was there from 1990-1994.
Iāve been a Season Tix holder sinceā¦so Iāve seen every player since in person.
I love College Basketballā¦and I love Niner Basketball.
FWIW.[/QUOTE]
Ok. Just curious when you said you thought they were much better players. I think each one had different sets of skills. Some of which they were better at than the other were. Curt does have a better perimeter game than Jarvis did. Jarvis was a fastbreak and garbage man. Curt was better than Demarco on fastbreaks, defense and rebounding. Demarco was the most skilled offesively of the 3.
But to me, they all are fairly comparable in their ability and accomplishments. Youāre just coming off as if you have an agenda against CW for some reason.
ORLANDO, Fla. ā [B]Nik Caner-Medley[/B] has had games like this before, but none that could have so profound an impact on his professional basketball career. On Day 1 of the NBA Pre-Draft Camp, the Maryland forward had another one of [I]those[/I] days when his entire repertoire of offensive moves and shots were working, and that translated into a game-high 22 points and helped his team to a victory in the first of three games Wednesday at Disneyās Wide World of Sports Complex.
Hustle plays were in much greater supply than than skill plays Wednesday, although [B]Jerry West[/B] told me several years ago that hustle in and of itself has become a skill. Here are some thoughts on happenings in the three games Wednesday and what they might mean in regard to the 2006 NBA Draft.
[B]Game 1: Team Six 80, Team Five 76[/B]
Caner-Medley unfurled an offensive arsenal that included a 3-point shot, a leaner in the lane, a few smooth mid-range jumpers and a tip-in as well as five free throws. In all, he made 8-of-12 shots from the field and 5 of 6 from the line, delivering the most complete and productive offensive performance of the first day of play.
Caner-Medley hasnāt gotten much attention in most mock drafts, and this singular performance alone is unlikely to catapult him into prominence. If he can add a couple more good showings to it over the next two days, however, Caner-Medley will likely get an increased number of invitations to workouts from teams over the last two weeks before the draft. That opportunity could lead to him working his way into serious draft consideration.
Some other modestly-regarded players from Team Six came through with positive efforts as well. [B]Curtis Withers[/B] of Charlotte, one of a large contingent of undersized power forwards in Orlando this week, showed off a good touch, both in hitting turnaround jumpers out of postups and draining a face-the-basket opportunity from 12 feet. Withers scored nine points and grabbed seven rebounds in 22 minutes of play. [B]Taj Gray[/B] of Oklahoma (10 points) wowed onlookers with a 360-degree spin move in the lane which he finished despite contact for a 3-point play. And [B]Yemi Nicholson[/B] of Denver was opportunistic and efficient with his offensive opportunities, hitting 5-of-9 shots for 13 points. Ultra-aggressive [B]Louis Amundson[/B] of UNLV picked up eight rebounds, six points and six fouls in 20 high-energy minutes.
But to me, they all are fairly comparable in their ability and accomplishments. You're just coming off as if you have an agenda against CW for some reason.
Fair enough.
And noā¦I donāt have an agenda against Curt. I love Curt (always have), I support Curt (always have). Hell, Curt was one of the best 4yr Niners weāve ever had. But my love, support and respect for him and his Niner career being one of the all-time Niner greats still does not make him an NBA player.
Henry, Dink, Jarvis and DeMarco all had inferiorities as wellā¦thatās why they couldnāt enjoy an NBA careerā¦but Curt has more deficiencies than they did. Henry could score, pass, create and handle the ball. Dink as well. Both were simply undersized. Jarvis had power, strength and post moves. He was simply undersized. DeMarco had a ton of post moves was a good passer and had GREAT handsā¦but was undersized and lacked athleticism. But Curt is undersized, has terrible hands, a lack of consistent offense and suspect defense. Literally all he can do is rebound.
Thatās all Iām saying. Iām being objective and honest. I still donāt understand how people misconstrue my honest observation as hatred.
I posted in another thread that my brother is not a very good baseball player. But I still love him, support him and cheer my ass off when he has successā¦but the honest truth is heās not very good. And itās OK.
I really do hope proves me wrong. I love his attitudeā¦and if he does make it to the NBA it will take him so much work and effort that I will respect him even more. His story would be an inspiration to any kid and it would actually make him a tremendous role model.
I just honestly donāt think he has the tools to do it. If he doesā¦SERVE ME SOME CROW and I will eat it to my heartās content.
He was an offensively incosistent, defensively inadequate turnover machineā¦in college. Just donāt think that equates to an NBA playerā¦sorry. I could end up being wrong but I doubt it.
So, donāt start some conspiracy simply because I donāt join in on the blindly naive āgreen tintedā soldier boys. Iām a realistā¦plain and simple and my observation is just an honest and unbiased one. Sorry if it is an unpopular stance.
...I posted in another thread that my brother is not a very good baseball player. But I still love him, support him and cheer my ass off when he has success....but the honest truth is he's not very good. And it's OK.
Ok, I was seriously going to reply to your thread saying how you make some good pointsā¦blah,blah,blahā¦but the above is just JAW DROPPING!! YOU HAVE A FREAKINā BROTHER??? THAT MEANS THERE ARE 2 OF YOU W/ KTOWN BLOOD???:ohmy:
Itās Jimmy isnāt it? Seriously, itās got to be Jimmy.
He was an offensively [B]incosistent[/B]
Never let it be said that BobandEd kicks somebody when they are down.
Thatās all Iām saying. Iām being objective and honest. I still donāt understand how people misconstrue my honest observation as hatred.
He was an offensively incosistent, defensively inadequate turnover machine
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Gee, I wonder why youāre rubbing people the wrong way?
Nobody has said you canāt state your opinion. Itās just the way youāre going about it. Rather than say āI think his chances are slim for making the NBAā. You say something like āCurtis doesnāt nearly have the talent it takes to play in the NBA because heās a marginal ball playerā. Both opinions are being honest, which is what youāre accusing a lot of other fans of lacking.
Iāll give you the toās. But other than that I think your being overly critical of CWs talent/ability. I think he is simply undersized too, the same way you describe the other players. I think if he was 6ā10" he would no doubt be a first rounder. Or, I think if he played somewhere that got him more exposure, say Kentucky, he would be a first rounder.
Gee, I wonder why you're rubbing people the wrong way?
Nobody has said you canāt state your opinion. Itās just the way youāre going about it. Rather than say āI think his chances are slim for making the NBAā. You say something like āCurtis doesnāt nearly have the talent it takes to play in the NBA because heās a marginal ball playerā. Both opinions are being honest, which is what youāre accusing a lot of other fans of lacking.
Iāll give you the toās. But other than that I think your being overly critical of CWs talent/ability. I think he is simply undersized too, the same way you describe the other players. I think if he was 6ā10" he would no doubt be a first rounder. Or, I think if he played somewhere that got him more exposure, say Kentucky, he would be a first rounder.
Wow, are you serious? Do you people have anything better to do? You are blowing this out of proportion. Enough is enough. I realize this is the offseason, but damn, find something better to do with your time.
[QUOTE=BobandEd49er;176755]Sorry Over, I think I said basically the same thing in my later post. Didnāt see this one or I would have just quoted you.
I told youā¦99% of the time we think alikeā¦[/QUOTE]
Thatās pretty impressive for you to only be wrong 1% of the time.
[QUOTE=gotLutz;176910]Wow, are you serious? Do you people have anything better to do? You are blowing this out of proportion. Enough is enough. I realize this is the offseason, but damn, find something better to do with your time.[/QUOTE]
I like evaluating players. I think itās a fun thing to do with my time.
Donāt you have something better to do with your time than to tell somebody else what to do with theirās? I always find that funny/ironic.
Normmm, read the Ktown Game thread to get an understanding for Ktown's gig. gotlutz may be implying it's not worth arguing with him.
Leftyā¦I donāt know how you meant itā¦but youāre staring to piss me off.
I donāt have a āgig.ā
Unless you call a āgigā being honest and objective.
I know we donāt see eye to eye on a lot of things, with me being the realist and you being the elite of all eternal optimistsā¦but Iāve always respected your insight and the information youāre willing to share due to your close ties with the program.
But that respect is fading fastā¦unless I read you wrong.
Iām not PIā¦I donāt try to piss people off for sh!ts and gigglesā¦I literally believe in expressing my honest and objective views here in an effort to bring a least a small dose of reality to those that (at times) so badly need it (yet donāt necessarily want to hear it). I know they may not be āpopularā with the majority of the blindly optimistic on this boardā¦but I understand that going inā¦and can handle that criticism.
I find it childish and disrespectful that you would attempt to belittle my views and opinions (or anyone elseās for that matter) by calling my posting āa gig.ā
The Truth Revolution or whatever you were doing was a gig, IMO. Your thoughts and comments are not and I realize that, although you do go over the top to drive your point home. Sorry to piss you off.
The Truth Revolution or whatever you were doing was a gig, IMO. Your thoughts and comments are not and I realize that, although you do go over the top to drive your point home. Sorry to piss you off.
Yeahā¦the TR was (sometimes I think this board needs at least some sort of humorā¦that was my attempt). Thanks for your commentsā¦sorry too if I go over the top. Sometimes I think I need too to squeeze my point of view in amoungst all of you āgreen tintedā folk.
Yeah....the TR [does not respect your] sort of humor [or your posts, opinions....etc..]...that was my attempt [to lay a smack down on] your comments....sorry if I['m too honest and] go over the top [of what your intelligence can understand].
Sometimes I think I need to squeeze my point of view in amoungst all of you āgreen tintedā folk.
No harm [this time, because Iām in a good mood]ā¦No foul.
Lefty, Iām not one to take someoneās words out of context, but Ktown is downright rude in my opinion. It was good of you to take the high road however.
(A fewā¦(most) words in Ktownās quote may have been (were) altered (completely erased or changed).)
[URL=http://nbadraft.net/profiles/curtiswithers.asp][SIZE=2]Curtis Withers (Charlotte)[/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2] ā 8.33 ppg, 5.67 rpg, 44.4 fg%, 60 ft% ā Withers has the perfect size and game to be a dominant European player. Unfortunately at 6-7, heās too much of a tweener for the NBA. Withers showed well in the camp with great aggressiveness inside grabbing boards and scoring on some thunderous dunks. But the NBA is a long shot for him.[/SIZE]
[URL=http://nbadraft.net/profiles/curtiswithers.asp][SIZE=2]Curtis Withers (Charlotte)[/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2] ā 8.33 ppg, 5.67 rpg, 44.4 fg%, 60 ft% ā Withers has the perfect size and game to be a dominant European player. Unfortunately at 6-7, heās too much of a tweener for the NBA. Withers showed well in the camp with great aggressiveness inside grabbing boards and scoring on some thunderous dunks. But the NBA is a long shot for him.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Finally a link to how Curt did in camp!
[URL=http://nbadraft.net/2006orlando005.asp]http://nbadraft.net/2006orlando005.asp[/URL]
[SIZE=2]Curtis Withers (Charlotte)[/SIZE][SIZE=2] ā 8.33 ppg, 5.67 rpg, 44.4 fg%, 60 ft% ā Withers has the perfect size and game to be a dominant European player. Unfortunately at 6-7, heās too much of a tweener for the NBA. Withers showed well in the camp with great aggressiveness inside grabbing boards and scoring on some thunderous dunks. But the NBA is a long shot for him.[/SIZE]
OKā¦in essenceā¦this is exactly what Iāve been saying all alongā¦isnāt it?
I assume you guys are peppering the author of this article with as much hate mail as you doused on me for saying the exact same thing last weekā¦right?
Ktown,
Read your signature about being smarter than everybody else. Yet you wonder why people get on you. The main thing I think youāre missing is that nobody has said that CW is a sure fire NBA player. People are only saying that they hope he makes it. Yes, they may be looking at it with āgreen tintedā glasses. But thatās what you call being a fan. If you donāt get that then you just donāt get it. You are on the Niner Nation messageboard. Yet you seem to be confused as to why people would pull for CW to have success. Iām confused with that logic.
I wouldnāt guess your loyalty is in question.
I think you hold basic assumptions that are different from other peopleās, and I canāt help but wonder about the implications this might have on your life, relationships.
Ktown,
Read your signature about being smarter than everybody else. Yet you wonder why people get on you. The main thing I think you're missing is that nobody has said that CW is a sure fire NBA player. People are only saying that they hope he makes it. Yes, they may be looking at it with "green tinted" glasses. But that's what you call being a fan. If you don't get that then you just don't get it. You are on the Niner Nation messageboard. Yet you seem to be confused as to why people would pull for CW to have success. I'm confused with that logic.
Are you Mark Packer? Stirring the pot.
The signature is an attempt at humor (which this board also struggles with at times)ā¦while also making a point.
The point isā¦we all debateā¦but I get attacked for my views in ways that no one else gets attacked. My loyalty gets questioned my intentions get misinterpreted and I get labeled as a pessimistā¦like I want bad things to happen to our program!!
All because I am the only one that has the balls to state the obvious?
Thatās not fairā¦and thatās why I made the signature.
Why am I a pessimistā¦because I am honest??
Why am I not loyalā¦because I donāt kiss Niner ass 24/7??
I have never ONCE wished bad things for our programā¦but I also donāt hide from the reality of our issues either.
If your wife (husband, mom, dad, sister, etc) was grossly overweight or smoked 6 packs of cigarrettes per dayā¦do you love them enough to be brutally honest with them even though you might hurt their feelingsā¦or do you simply pretend nothing is wrong?
Itās called tough love for a reason.
I want those that love me to love me enough to be honestā¦donāt kiss my ass.
Thatās what I do hereā¦but I get my intentions misinterpretedā¦which, as I have said beforeā¦is what hurts and what I donāt understand.
OKā¦enough of thisā¦letās get back to Niner talk.
