From this story on charlotte.com ā¦
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/14792326.htm
comes this note on Curt:
Wake Forestās Eric Williams and Charlotte 49er Curtis Withers, undersized power forwards, both struggled with fouls. Williams committed 15 fouls in about 61 minutes. Withers had six fouls in 20 minutes in one game.
Thereās no need to pat yourself on the back everytime you state the obvious and it turns out to be correct later on, nobody cares.
The signature is an attempt at humor (which this board also struggles with at times).....while also making a point.The point isā¦we all debateā¦but I get attacked for my views in ways that no one else gets attacked. My loyalty gets questioned my intentions get misinterpreted and I get labeled as a pessimistā¦like I want bad things to happen to our program!!
All because I am the only one that has the balls to state the obvious?
Thatās not fairā¦and thatās why I made the signature.
Why am I a pessimistā¦because I am honest??
Why am I not loyalā¦because I donāt kiss Niner ass 24/7??I have never ONCE wished bad things for our programā¦but I also donāt hide from the reality of our issues either.
If your wife (husband, mom, dad, sister, etc) was grossly overweight or smoked 6 packs of cigarrettes per dayā¦do you love them enough to be brutally honest with them even though you might hurt their feelingsā¦or do you simply pretend nothing is wrong?
Itās called tough love for a reason.
I want those that love me to love me enough to be honestā¦donāt kiss my ass.
Thatās what I do hereā¦but I get my intentions misinterpretedā¦which, as I have said beforeā¦is what hurts and what I donāt understand.
OKā¦enough of thisā¦letās get back to Niner talk.
Ktown, I donāt think anyone attacks you or even dislikes you for sharing your views. Like all message boards, we do have some posters with ātinted flassesā and everyone might not agree with you all of the time, but that isnāt the problem. This board would be pretty dull if there werenāt debates taking place, and you need people to make arguments on both sides to make that happen.
I think your problem is that people find your posts annoying. The ātruth revolutionā and āque my songā have both gone way past the point of being funny. While all of the websites in your sig may be an attempt at humor, they make you come off as arrogantā¦ always jumping at the chance to say āI was right and you were wrong.ā Your posts are always a little too long and come of as ranting rather than debating.
Anyways, that is my two cents. I donāt have anything against you, but I wanted to let you know why I think you are getting āattacked.ā In my opinion it has very little to do with your views and opinionsā¦ the ātruthā as you call it. I agree with your last sentence thoughā¦ its about time to put this whole thing behind us and pick on somebody else for a while. Bobbinhead maybe? :biggrin:
i wonder what morrison meant by charlotte might fit him better than a bigger city. he made it sound like he could be coming to a small town.
Wake Forest's Eric Williams and Charlotte 49er Curtis Withers, undersized power forwards, both struggled with fouls. Williams committed 15 fouls in about 61 minutes.
Thats funny, he didnt get a single one up in winston
[QUOTE=ninerID;177174]Thats funny, he didnt get a single one up in winston[/QUOTE]
Funny you mentioned this because a good friend of mine who attends most Wake games mentioned that to me about a week ago. He said the only time Williams had ever played more than 10 minutes without picking up a foul was against us.
Funny you mentioned this because a good friend of mine who attends most Wake games mentioned that to me about a week ago. He said the only time Williams had ever played more than 10 minutes without picking up a foul was against us.
Damn. I thought that game was behind me.
[SIZE=7]SCHMUTZTITEL FIESLING!!![/SIZE]
[QUOTE=gotLutz;177177]Damn. I thought that game was behind me.
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It was until NinerID brought it up. It was behind me too until my buddy mentioned it and then NinerID followed up.
I hope it doesnāt linger as long as that Final 4 loss to Marquette. 
[QUOTE=Threemire09;177169]Thereās no need to pat yourself on the back everytime you state the obvious and it turns out to be correct later on, nobody cares.[/QUOTE]
Were you talking to Persinger or KTown?
I think KTown means well.
Here is what they had to say about Mucas from St Louis
[QUOTE]Ian Vouyoukas (Saint Louis) ā 7.33 ppg, 1.66 rpg, 69.2 fg%, 50 ft% ā Vouyoukas has some Vlade craftiness around the basket. But he lacks foot speed and rebounding ability. His body appears very flabby so his mobility and quickness would vastly improve if he got on the right weight training program. He should return to St. Louis for another year and work hard on his body, and he could get drafted next year.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like Curt has a pretty good showing based on the NBAdraft.net summary. Being a tweener is whatās really hurting him.
I think your problem is that people find your posts annoying. The "truth revolution" and "que my song" have both gone way past the point of being funny. While all of the websites in your sig may be an attempt at humor, they make you come off as arrogant... always jumping at the chance to say "I was right and you were wrong." Your posts are always a little too long and come of as ranting rather than debating.
I just donāt see it this way, apart from the TR being annoying. I think Ktown finds it unbelievable that although we are ALL fans, some have expectations that are just unrealistic when one looks at the facts. I like to hope as much as the next but it is hard for me to be blind at the same time and write posts that are just not believable, no matter how much I want them to be true. I also donāt think he especially cares about the whole āI told you soā thing. And if that sig makes him come off as anything other than an idiotā¦it is news to me. Arrogant is the last thing I would think of when looking at his sig. Again, idiot, stupid, āslowā, jackassishā¦but arrogant no.
...its about time to put this whole thing behind us and pick on somebody else for a while. Bobbinhead maybe? :biggrin:
Finally, someone other than me will be the butt of a joke. Wow, who would call themselves Bobbinheadā¦wowā¦what a LOSERā¦
But Curt is undersized, has terrible hands, a lack of consistent offense and suspect defense. Literally all he can do is rebound.He was an offensively incosistent, defensively inadequate turnover machineā¦in college. Just donāt think that equates to an NBA playerā¦sorry. I could end up being wrong but I doubt it.
[URL=http://nbadraft.net/profiles/curtiswithers.asp][SIZE=2][COLOR=#004c26]Curtis Withers (Charlotte)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2] -- 8.33 ppg, 5.67 rpg, 44.4 fg%, 60 ft% -- Withers has the perfect size and game to be a dominant European player. Unfortunately at 6-7, he's too much of a tweener for the NBA. Withers showed well in the camp with great aggressiveness inside grabbing boards and scoring on some thunderous dunks. But the NBA is a long shot for him.[/SIZE]
OK....in essence...this is exactly what I've been saying all along....isn't it?
[SIZE=2]Thats not what youāve been saying all along. The only criticism the review had was his size. You went after his size, hands, offense, defense. Unless by in essence you are implying that the word tweener somehow refers to his general skill set.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Thats not what you've been saying all along. The only criticism the review had was his size. You went after his size, hands, offense, defense. Unless by in essence you are implying that the word tweener somehow refers to his general skill set.[/SIZE]
I said he has no shot at making a career in the NBAā¦just like the article (I just went into detail why).
I said the only thing he could do on an NBA level is reboundā¦which is the only thing the article said he did well.
I also said he would be a great European player and would do well and make his money thereā¦again, just like the article.
And yesā¦the ātweenerā label was a part of my argument as well. In saying that he couldnāt shoot well enough or handle the ball well and isnāt quick enough to play the 3. I also said he wasnāt big enough to play his natural position of the 4ā¦so yes, in essence, I was implying that his size and skill set doesnāt match what he would have to do in the NBA. The āTweenerā definition is a part of that.
OK. Againā¦letās move on. The horse is dead.
Ian Vouyoukas of Saint Louis could be a serious candidate for A-10 POY in 06-07 if he gets in the weight room, out on the track, and stays away from Mickey Dās! Certainly would make himself more attractive to the NBA, thatās for sure.
First you said Curt won't get drafted then you said his chances are very slim. I don't think he refused to carry the team, he's just not that kind of player. You saw how he played with the National team and on previous teams when he didn't have to carry the load. He came in as a three star recruit, I wouldn't see why he would blame the coaches for helping him overachieve while he was here. He will be signed by someone and although it might not be the same money as a second round draft pick he'll be presented the same opportunity to make the team. Hopefully he can impress his coaches over the summer and make the team.
It wouldnāt shock me if they announce Curtās name on draft day. Those NBA guys will on occasion look for feedback from their college contacts. If an A-10, old C-USA, or Olympic coach name drops Withers as a tough competitor, it may go a long way.
A lot of times, NBA teams will āroll the diceā on a second rounder and gamble a bit on their selection for a boom or bust type of player. Unfortunately, Withers isnāt a gamble - itās a pretty safe pickup. He would be a role-player - a blue-collar rebounding forward with underated passing ability. Thereās a place for a guy like that in the NBA. Weāll have to wait and see what happens.
yes, we will see it is hard to believe that:
Carner Medley, Eric Williams, Taj Grey and Hicks would all get called before Withers. I think he is right with all of them, maybe a few of that 5 get drafted or most of them probably donāt get drafted.
From some reports it sounds like Withers had a good camp. It seems similar to both camps for making the national teams over the last two summers, not much written about him in the camps, but then when the coach selected the teams he was actually a starter.
From Luke Winn at SI.com:
Most of the post players in Orlando who had high profiles in college -- players such as Indiana's Marco Killingsworth, Ohio State's Terrence Dials, Illinois' James Augustine, [b]Charlotte's Curtis Withers[/b], Notre Dame's Torin Francis and Wake Forest's Eric Williams -- have been underwhelming, to say the least, in game action. The real standouts at the four position have been two guys who had no pub in '05-06: Hartford's Kenny Adeleke and UNLV's Louis Amundson.Link: [b][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/luke_winn/06/09/camp.postcards/2.html]SI.com[/url][/b]
[QUOTE=survivor45;177245]It wouldnāt shock me if they announce Curtās name on draft day. Those NBA guys will on occasion look for feedback from their college contacts. If an A-10, old C-USA, or Olympic coach name drops Withers as a tough competitor, it may go a long way.
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Iām in agreement with you Survivor. Iām not saying it will happen, but at the same time I wonāt be surprised if it does happen.
Underwhelming?? Well that doesnāt sound too goodā¦