So can Shamarr play this season? I am assuming so, but can’t keep up with his crazy storyline.
No to playing this season, at a JUCO because he burned that redshirt on injury I guess.
[quote=“Tintin, post:159, topic:23923”]Shamarr has so far commited to VT, Charlotte, Delaware and now ECU.
Good luck with that.[/quote]
You forgot Chipola Junior College. Didn’t relize he commited to VT, must have something going for him. Good stuff. Seriously though I suspect he’s out of options and will be stuck here and basically be forced to get his act together if he wants to play D1 ball. He can’t really transfer now his redshirt is burned.
I don’t think most coaches would agree with that. I read an article about Old Dominion, who basically win with defense according to the article and Blaine Taylor said that he’d never recruited a high school player that played good defense, implying that basically all high schoolers played poor defense by his standard and that he had to turn them into good defensive players.
I think there is more truth to that than not when you think about it. Players don’t practice their defensive game, they shoot and focus on their offense the majority of the time, and in high school can get not playing good defense because of the level, but many later have to really apply themselves on defense or ride pine if they don’t. We got enough behind the guy he can’t just stand around on defense or he will be riding pine too.
[quote=“StillJonesing, post:162, topic:23923”]No to playing this season, at a JUCO because he burned that redshirt on injury I guess.
[quote=“Tintin, post:159, topic:23923”]Shamarr has so far commited to VT, Charlotte, Delaware and now ECU.
Good luck with that.[/quote]
You forgot Chipola Junior College. Didn’t relize he commited to VT, must have something going for him. Good stuff. Seriously though I suspect he’s out of options and will be stuck here and basically be forced to get his act together if he wants to play D1 ball. He can’t really transfer now his redshirt is burned.
I don’t think most coaches would agree with that. I read an article about Old Dominion, who basically win with defense according to the article and Blaine Taylor said that he’d never recruited a high school player that played good defense, implying that basically all high schoolers played poor defense by his standard and that he had to turn them into good defensive players.
I think there is more truth to that than not when you think about it. Players don’t practice their defensive game, they shoot and focus on their offense the majority of the time, and in high school can get not playing good defense because of the level, but many later have to really apply themselves on defense or ride pine if they don’t. We got enough behind the guy he can’t just stand around on defense or he will be riding pine too.[/quote]
If Bowden is playing significant minutes for ECU it will be for one reason only…YOUR GUARDS/TEAM MUST NOT BE VERY GOOD :
Yet somehow he saw the court for you guys as a FRESHMAN and was even in your top 5 scorers despite all the talent you guys believe you had.
The guy’s going to be 2 years older when we get him and ECU and UTEP were his final 2. If he was good enough for Tim Floyd and UTEP or the ACC he has talent. Maybe your fired coach wasn’t getting enough out of him. That is why you fired the guy right?
[quote=“StillJonesing, post:164, topic:23923”]Yet somehow he saw the court for you guys as a FRESHMAN and was even in your top 5 scorers despite all the talent you guys believe you had.
The guy’s going to be 2 years older when we get him and ECU and UTEP were his final 2. If he was good enough for Tim Floyd and UTEP he’s good enough.[/quote]
Yea he saw the court, and he’s talented. But Shamarr had no discipline with the basketball when he played here and 85% of the time, he came down and stood at the 3pt line with his hands out demanding the ball from the PG. When he got the ball, I could probably count on my fingers the number of times he passed. He would hoist up 27 footers with a man in his face. If Lebo can get Shamarr to be a disciplined player and play within the offense, then he could be a good shooter. However, from what I saw, I was glad he transferred.
I read what you guys said about the guy, you liked his potential until he quit. There has to be some sourgrapes in there too. I’m thinking perhaps Williams wasn’t even our top target the way we signed a Freshman earlier that some servers rated higher, and maybe were waiting on Bowden. He had better offers and is experienced and ready to step in which is what we need. Either way glad it worked out for everyone involved cause we all seem to like our new guys.
[quote=“StillJonesing, post:164, topic:23923”]Yet somehow he saw the court for you guys as a FRESHMAN and was even in your top 5 scorers despite all the talent you guys believe you had.
The guy’s going to be 2 years older when we get him and ECU and UTEP were his final 2. If he was good enough for Tim Floyd and UTEP or the ACC he has talent. Maybe your fired coach wasn’t getting enough out of him.[/quote]
I didnt say see the court I said significant minutes…thats why he left Charlotte because he wasnt getting time. Thats also why he has been barnstorming the east coast looking for a team where he’s good enough or their bad enough for him to find significant minutes. I GUESS HE FOUND ONE IN ECU :
Dude does he even start on his JUCO team?
Having potential and being a good player are two different things. Plenty of guys have had potential that have rolled through here, but utilizing that potential is a different story. Shamarr is a lights out shooter at times, but that’s also his own worse enemy. He played outside the offense more than any other player I’ve seen in recent years. He knew he could shoot, and he tried to show it off with unnecessary, contested 3pters, that were at least 3 to 4 feet if not more behind the line.
His defense was atrocious however, and you will likely get nothing from him on that end.
You look at his numbers, only 5 of his shots were non-3pters. To be a lights out shooter, 32% from the arc isn’t that great.
If you can teach him defense and discipline, I think he will be very good. However, those are two of the most difficult things to teach.
He was a freshman, most freshman don’t play more than 10-15 minutes on good teams regardless of how good they are, because they don’t really know crap. There are plenty of NBA draft picks that only played 10 or less minutes a game as a freshman, even mid major ones on average teams like Eric Maynor rode pine as a freshman. Not sure what the heck your or perhaps even he expected.
[quote=“Ninerballin, post:168, topic:23923”]Having potential and being a good player are two different things. Plenty of guys have had potential that have rolled through here, but utilizing that potential is a different story. Shamarr is a lights out shooter at times, but that’s also his own worse enemy. He played outside the offense more than any other player I’ve seen in recent years. He knew he could shoot, and he tried to show it off with unnecessary, contested 3pters, that were at least 3 to 4 feet if not more behind the line.
His defense was atrocious however, and you will likely get nothing from him on that end.[/quote]
See all this is correctable in my mind and I’d say the majority of freshman have similar negatives, at least the ones that aren’t completely lost or timid. If he was doing all those negatives and STILL getting in the game 25% of the time I think that says a lot about his potiental.
You look at his numbers, only 5 of his shots were non-3pters. To be a lights out shooter, 32% from the arc isn't that great.It's not the largest sample to base on, and if the coach was still giving him that kind of green light to chuck it up that many times in that many minutes and the players still passing him the ball he can shoot, period. You don't score 17 points in 13 minutes on Louisville and not have some skills. We had a JUCO guy that sounds like this guy couple years back named Legan. He came off the bench his first year and shot 3's all the time shot about 33% but everyone knew he was a great shooter and would have some big games, the next year he was a 40%+ guy and hit about 85. Wouldn't read to much into it.
StillJonesing, you like selective reading don’t you?
Shamarr couldn’t play a lick of defense. Why do you think he got less and less time? He actually played well at Louisville. Of course, the entire team did. Like everyone has emphasized, if Lebo can fix his defense and discipline problems, he has the talent to be an all conference player.
Good. I like that equation better than not being able to shoot a lick and playing good defense. We’ve had a few players like that. I think he will stand a much better shot at improving defense or at least more effort get a hand in someone face than becoming a great shooter. You seem to either be born with that or not. If you are athletic you can be taught to defend IMO and he sounds athletic enough.
StillJonesing, I think he might be a good player for you. Your biggest challenges will be getting him to play in the flow of the offense and keeping him academically eligible. My guess is that you will not be all that successful with this first but accept it because of his points. As for the classroom, well let’s face it, we all find a way. I do not see a diploma in his future.
We’ll if he left UNCC with under a 2.5 GPA and doesn’t graduate from ECU, that goes on your APR not ours…if he left with above a 2.5 with 2 seasons of school under his belt it’s pretty clear he can do college work and has a good base as well as having 5 years to graduate with his redshirt and not having to take more than 12 hours and rush. Either way we are fine with this player on academics.
StillJonesing, I find it very amusing that you are attempting to make us jealous of ECU landing Shamarr Bowden. He tried to get back on the team when Major was hired, and Major said no. If you want to believe he is the savior that will get ECU back to .500 against D-I competition, go ahead and believe that. But be prepared to cringe when he takes a shot from half-court in a fast-break, be prepared to see him benched when he makes a shot and acts like he scored a touchdown rather than D up.
A new coach wanting his on players? Imagine that.
Most of this criticism sounds like maturity / coaching issues to me not talent issues. Not all that surprising considering he was just a freshman and played for a coach who was canned for not getting enough out of his talent. Lebo was canned in the SEC but his rep was always he got a lot of out of his talent but couldn’t recruit SEC caliber talent to Auburn. I think he’s getting plenty of CUSA level talent though, and I have no issues with his recruiting so far has been great. He just beat the defending CUSA champ and a big time coach out for Bowden and beat a lot of schools out for the Missiouri transfer. It’s all good, if he does develop into an all CUSA player like several of your posters have indicated he has the potential to be then Major will be the one that has to answer to those questions because anytime you got a player with all conf potiental thats only a freshman you keep him unless he’s a criminal or something which is the only card you guys haven’t pulled. These negatives are minor correctable issues IMO.
This is hilarious. Bowden sucks. Bad.
StillJonesing, Lebo’s rep is that he could get talent, even SEC level talent, but he just can’t coach.
Congrats, that’s what your last coach did. When has ECU been good in basketball?
He’s really going to turn that program around.
Actually he was a soph and had spent an entire season on the bench learning because he had injured his knee his first season at Charlotte. So you can drop the freshman thing as an excuse. Fact is he has tons of talent - but he has a bad attitude and puts himself above the team. He played no D and had poor shot selection even after being on the team for a full year so he got benched and beat out for #2 minutes and starting position by a transfer. Then he sat on the bench and sulked and complained until he finally quit the team instead of focusing on getting better. Good luck with Shamarr - you will need it.