Fire Alan Major

[charlotteguy88]

If we found the right coach and started winning…just increasing our avg attendance by 1,000 could pay what we’d owe Major every year. I mean what is our avg attendance this year? It can’t be more than 5,000

[NinerWupAss]

@joeniner

If we did make a change not many of our players would be in a great position to leave. Braxton, Sullivan, Thorne, and Lester have each used their extra year. Henry and Twill would each be seniors. Clayton would be an upperclassman, I don’t know if he would want to sit out one year to play two. We would have to worry about Dorn and Woods, but hopefully each could still be sold on staying close to him regardless of our coaching staff.

Denzel and Willie would be potentials. If Judy did what she did last time though and not grant releases then we would be in great shape. Keeping Woods and Dorn I think would be doable but only if they made a quick hire with some some credibility.

[EE9er]

@NinerWupAss

[quote=“joeniner, post:119, topic:28610”]If we did make a change not many of our players would be in a great position to leave. Braxton, Sullivan, Thorne, and Lester have each used their extra year. Henry and Twill would each be seniors. Clayton would be an upperclassman, I don’t know if he would want to sit out one year to play two. We would have to worry about Dorn and Woods, but hopefully each could still be sold on staying close to him regardless of our coaching staff.

Denzel and Willie would be potentials. If Judy did what she did last time though and not grant releases then we would be in great shape. Keeping Woods and Dorn I think would be doable but only if they made a quick hire with some some credibility.[/quote]

This is all fun for giggles and such but does anyone really think she will fire him. She’s going to give him next year regardless. I wish the poll option still worked, I’d be curious to see how many of the posters think she will actually fire him at the end of the year if he stinks up the place even more.

[CMack124]

@EE9er

[quote=“NinerWupAss, post:122, topic:28610”][quote=“joeniner, post:119, topic:28610”]If we did make a change not many of our players would be in a great position to leave. Braxton, Sullivan, Thorne, and Lester have each used their extra year. Henry and Twill would each be seniors. Clayton would be an upperclassman, I don’t know if he would want to sit out one year to play two. We would have to worry about Dorn and Woods, but hopefully each could still be sold on staying close to him regardless of our coaching staff.

Denzel and Willie would be potentials. If Judy did what she did last time though and not grant releases then we would be in great shape. Keeping Woods and Dorn I think would be doable but only if they made a quick hire with some some credibility.[/quote]

This is all fun for giggles and such but does anyone really think she will fire him. She’s going to give him next year regardless. I wish the poll option still worked, I’d be curious to see how many of the posters think she will actually fire him at the end of the year if he stinks up the place even more.[/quote]
Agree, I think some combination of pride, false hope, and financial motivations leads to Judy bringing Major back next year.

[NinerWupAss]

@CMack124

[quote=“EE9er, post:123, topic:28610”][quote=“NinerWupAss, post:122, topic:28610”][quote=“joeniner, post:119, topic:28610”]If we did make a change not many of our players would be in a great position to leave. Braxton, Sullivan, Thorne, and Lester have each used their extra year. Henry and Twill would each be seniors. Clayton would be an upperclassman, I don’t know if he would want to sit out one year to play two. We would have to worry about Dorn and Woods, but hopefully each could still be sold on staying close to him regardless of our coaching staff.

Denzel and Willie would be potentials. If Judy did what she did last time though and not grant releases then we would be in great shape. Keeping Woods and Dorn I think would be doable but only if they made a quick hire with some some credibility.[/quote]

This is all fun for giggles and such but does anyone really think she will fire him. She’s going to give him next year regardless. I wish the poll option still worked, I’d be curious to see how many of the posters think she will actually fire him at the end of the year if he stinks up the place even more.[/quote]
Agree, I think some combination of pride, false hope, and financial motivations leads to Judy bringing Major back next year.[/quote]

I think it is on the table - for it to happen though he has to lose most of his games from here out and lose in the first round.

[Tintin]

@NinerWupAss

[quote=“joeniner, post:119, topic:28610”]If we did make a change not many of our players would be in a great position to leave. Braxton, Sullivan, Thorne, and Lester have each used their extra year. Henry and Twill would each be seniors. Clayton would be an upperclassman, I don’t know if he would want to sit out one year to play two. We would have to worry about Dorn and Woods, but hopefully each could still be sold on staying close to him regardless of our coaching staff.

Denzel and Willie would be potentials. If Judy did what she did last time though and not grant releases then we would be in great shape. Keeping Woods and Dorn I think would be doable but only if they made a quick hire with some some credibility.[/quote]

I’m most concerned about Lester.

[NinerWupAss]

@Tintin

[quote=“NinerWupAss, post:122, topic:28610”][quote=“joeniner, post:119, topic:28610”]If we did make a change not many of our players would be in a great position to leave. Braxton, Sullivan, Thorne, and Lester have each used their extra year. Henry and Twill would each be seniors. Clayton would be an upperclassman, I don’t know if he would want to sit out one year to play two. We would have to worry about Dorn and Woods, but hopefully each could still be sold on staying close to him regardless of our coaching staff.

Denzel and Willie would be potentials. If Judy did what she did last time though and not grant releases then we would be in great shape. Keeping Woods and Dorn I think would be doable but only if they made a quick hire with some some credibility.[/quote]

I’m most concerned about Lester.[/quote]

Certainly anything is possible - but anyone who has already lost a year or will be a sr next year are the least likely.

[cptn319]

@charlotteguy88

If we found the right coach and started winning…just increasing our avg attendance by 1,000 could pay what we’d owe Major every year. I mean what is our avg attendance this year? It can’t be more than 5,000

Home =5,126

[9erken]

@CMack124

[quote=“EE9er, post:123, topic:28610”][quote=“NinerWupAss, post:122, topic:28610”][quote=“joeniner, post:119, topic:28610”]If we did make a change not many of our players would be in a great position to leave. Braxton, Sullivan, Thorne, and Lester have each used their extra year. Henry and Twill would each be seniors. Clayton would be an upperclassman, I don’t know if he would want to sit out one year to play two. We would have to worry about Dorn and Woods, but hopefully each could still be sold on staying close to him regardless of our coaching staff.

Denzel and Willie would be potentials. If Judy did what she did last time though and not grant releases then we would be in great shape. Keeping Woods and Dorn I think would be doable but only if they made a quick hire with some some credibility.[/quote]

This is all fun for giggles and such but does anyone really think she will fire him. She’s going to give him next year regardless. I wish the poll option still worked, I’d be curious to see how many of the posters think she will actually fire him at the end of the year if he stinks up the place even more.[/quote]
Agree, I think some combination of pride, false hope, and financial motivations leads to Judy bringing Major back next year.[/quote]You might be right. But I think it’s pretty interesting how many posters were saying the exact same thing right up until the news came out about Lutz’ firing. I didn’t even think he’d get fired one year after signing an addition to a long extension. The lack of money for paying two coaches (with a much worse contract negotiated, Lutz’ extension was ridiculous) was the reason most people felt this wouldn’t happen, and yet it did. I could see Major let go, particularly if Rose has knowledge of what’s going on with the team internally (and it’s bad) or if more transfers are already in the works in the offseason.

I also think people are underestimating how likely it is folks will transfer if Major is let go. Since the replacement is unlikely to be internal, that means the players have to be comfortable with the replacement pretty much right away, which is also unlikely for what will probably be a relatively unknown coach. Transferring is also much more accepted nowadays than it used to be, with a number of players transferring multiple times in their career. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think this is in any way a reason to keep Major here longer. But I wouldn’t count on the roster looking much like it does now, unless the new hire can convince players to stick around, which is a tough sell for a lot of new coaches.

And I really hope Rose would allow players to transfer out if they choose this time, that is such a crappy move when firing a coach those players signed up to play for. I think Major would’ve been better off if more players had left right away, given the team did terribly that year anyway (so what difference would a few more losses make), so that he could recruit replacements the following year and also get his own guys in sooner and cut down on the disgruntlement. He likely still has the same issues now anyway, just seemed like a bad move at the time and in hindsight to me.

[charlotteguy88]

@cptn319

[quote=“charlotteguy88, post:121, topic:28610”]If we found the right coach and started winning…just increasing our avg attendance by 1,000 could pay what we’d owe Major every year. I mean what is our avg attendance this year? It can’t be more than 5,000

Home =5,126[/quote]
okay barely above 5,000 then lol. Either way it should 7500 plus. No reason we can’t achieve that kind of attendance

[NinerWupAss]

@9erken

I think Major would’ve been better off if more players had left right away, given the team did terribly that year anyway (so what difference would a few more losses make), so that he could recruit replacements the following year and also get his own guys in sooner and cut down on the disgruntlement. He likely still has the same issues now anyway, just seemed like a bad move at the time and in hindsight to me.

If Phil goes to class his first team prob makes the NIT. Just wanted to throw that out there.

[NinerWupAss]

@charlotteguy88

[quote=“cptn319, post:128, topic:28610”][quote=“charlotteguy88, post:121, topic:28610”]If we found the right coach and started winning…just increasing our avg attendance by 1,000 could pay what we’d owe Major every year. I mean what is our avg attendance this year? It can’t be more than 5,000

Home =5,126[/quote]
okay barely above 5,000 then lol. Either way it should 7500 plus. No reason we can’t achieve that kind of attendance[/quote]

[font=Verdana]Buts in seats though we have had a few games under 2500[/font]

[CMack124]

@9erken

[quote=“CMack124, post:124, topic:28610”][quote=“EE9er, post:123, topic:28610”][quote=“NinerWupAss, post:122, topic:28610”][quote=“joeniner, post:119, topic:28610”]If we did make a change not many of our players would be in a great position to leave. Braxton, Sullivan, Thorne, and Lester have each used their extra year. Henry and Twill would each be seniors. Clayton would be an upperclassman, I don’t know if he would want to sit out one year to play two. We would have to worry about Dorn and Woods, but hopefully each could still be sold on staying close to him regardless of our coaching staff.

Denzel and Willie would be potentials. If Judy did what she did last time though and not grant releases then we would be in great shape. Keeping Woods and Dorn I think would be doable but only if they made a quick hire with some some credibility.[/quote]

This is all fun for giggles and such but does anyone really think she will fire him. She’s going to give him next year regardless. I wish the poll option still worked, I’d be curious to see how many of the posters think she will actually fire him at the end of the year if he stinks up the place even more.[/quote]
Agree, I think some combination of pride, false hope, and financial motivations leads to Judy bringing Major back next year.[/quote]You might be right. But I think it’s pretty interesting how many posters were saying the exact same thing right up until the news came out about Lutz’ firing. I didn’t even think he’d get fired one year after signing an addition to a long extension. The lack of money for paying two coaches (with a much worse contract negotiated, Lutz’ extension was ridiculous) was the reason most people felt this wouldn’t happen, and yet it did. I could see Major let go, particularly if Rose has knowledge of what’s going on with the team internally (and it’s bad) or if more transfers are already in the works in the offseason.

I also think people are underestimating how likely it is folks will transfer if Major is let go. Since the replacement is unlikely to be internal, that means the players have to be comfortable with the replacement pretty much right away, which is also unlikely for what will probably be a relatively unknown coach. Transferring is also much more accepted nowadays than it used to be, with a number of players transferring multiple times in their career. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think this is in any way a reason to keep Major here longer. But I wouldn’t count on the roster looking much like it does now, unless the new hire can convince players to stick around, which is a tough sell for a lot of new coaches.

And I really hope Rose would allow players to transfer out if they choose this time, that is such a crappy move when firing a coach those players signed up to play for. I think Major would’ve been better off if more players had left right away, given the team did terribly that year anyway (so what difference would a few more losses make), so that he could recruit replacements the following year and also get his own guys in sooner and cut down on the disgruntlement. He likely still has the same issues now anyway, just seemed like a bad move at the time and in hindsight to me.[/quote]
A big difference financially is football. Football now drives everything, every major financial decision Judy makes has to be viewed as to how it would affect football, that’s life with a football program. Major’s buyout is more reasonable, but we are also 1 year away from having the lowest paid HC in FBS. That will have to change and football is more important than MBB at this point, it just is.

I think all of the talk of specific players leaving is crazy. Some will leave. Some will probably leave if we keep Major. You can’t hire a coach to try to maintain what the coach you are firing built. It’s our equivalent of Power conference programs who lose a coach worrying about keeping their top 50 recruits. It is completely short-sighted. If you don’t trust a new coach with taking over a depleted roster YOU DON’T HIRE HIM. Firing Major is an admission of failure and that we need a fresh start, hanging onto any of our current players absolutely should not be a priority and it should not be a concern when deciding whether or not to fire Major. Sure, you hope a new coach could keep the key guys, coach them up and win a bunch of games next year, but you have to be willing to accept that half of the roster will be gone under the belief that the new coach is the right man to rebuild the program regardless of the 2014-2015 roster.

[ninerball49]

I’ve been about as supportive of Major as one could be. Not sure what I thought about the extension other than I really don’t think when kids pick schools they think “well this dude is locked in for 4 years.” We obviously have the talent to beat teams like Michigan. It may have been an anomaly or an exaggeration of our true ability but it wasn’t some complete fluke. Losing to so many teams we have no business not blowing out shows an underlying problem. At what point, or who do you have to lose to, to concede that everything is in complete disarray? I would say probably Marshall at home. I’ve left at halftime the past two games. Didn’t feel any shame in it. This is in no way, shape, or form entertaining or fun to watch. I absolutely hate saying it for the sake of our players, but I can’t make myself care, and there’s certainly nothing else that is keeping my interest. This forum represents a pretty distinct majority of our diehard fans. When we, as a whole, are so much in unison with our apathy, WTF does that say about the general public/average fan? Scary. It’s not hard to get that buzz back. We were buzzing after PR…but I think this current situation is about as close to lost as can be.

I grew up a VT fan, and still watch their program from afar. Don’t pay nearly as much attention to it as I used to. However there’s one glaring point that stands out to me above all else. They are 9-15 and lost 10 straight conference games. If you pay attention to what their fanbase is saying, it’s overwhelmingly positive for a team in that situation. I’m aware that the grass may be greener in general in the ACC, but even with bad teams, it’s possible to have something positive (growth, effort) to draw on. We absolutely do not have that in any form. We peaked at PR and have nose dived and are a shadow of our former selves months later. This situation is something I haven’t seen a lot in sports…at least not to the extent we’re witnessing. It’s devastating as a fan. I’m not even angry. Realistically, I just don’t care. That’s the absolute toughest part to swallow. One of the things I’ve devoted the most of the past 9 years to has completely lost my attention. I look around and all I see is the same thing, and it’s suffocating and depressing.

[Nugget]

@9erken

And I really hope Rose would allow players to transfer out if they choose this time, that is such a crappy move when firing a coach those players signed up to play for.

I believe that protecting our APR is the biggest reason for this. I do not remember why, or how the calculation works, but I am sure I have read this.

[49r9r]

@charlotteguy88

[quote=“cptn319, post:128, topic:28610”][quote=“charlotteguy88, post:121, topic:28610”]If we found the right coach and started winning…just increasing our avg attendance by 1,000 could pay what we’d owe Major every year. I mean what is our avg attendance this year? It can’t be more than 5,000

Home =5,126[/quote]
okay barely above 5,000 then lol. Either way it should 7500 plus. No reason we can’t achieve that kind of attendance[/quote]

1000 New Season Tickets * Average Price of $150 = $150,000 in increased ticket sales. This does not include a probable increase in 49er Club members. If Major lands another job, we can actually make money on the deal.

This calculation works even better… Average 1000 additional tickets per game * Average Price of $15 per game * 15 games = $225,000 in increased ticket sales. We are already ahead of the game.

[bleedsgreenandgold]

[quote=“49r9r, post:136, topic:28610”]1000 New Season Tickets * Average Price of $150 = $150,000 in increased ticket sales. This does not include a probable increase in 49er Club members. If Major lands another job, we can actually make money on the deal.

This calculation works even better… Average 1000 additional tickets per game * Average Price of $15 per game * 15 games = $225,000 in increased ticket sales. We are already ahead of the game.[/quote]

You really think we will see that much of a bump because Major is fired? Unless we made a splash hire (i.e Larry Brown @ SMU) this isn’t going to happen.

[NinerWupAss]

[quote=“bleedsgreenandgold, post:137, topic:28610”][quote=“49r9r, post:136, topic:28610”]1000 New Season Tickets * Average Price of $150 = $150,000 in increased ticket sales. This does not include a probable increase in 49er Club members. If Major lands another job, we can actually make money on the deal.

This calculation works even better… Average 1000 additional tickets per game * Average Price of $15 per game * 15 games = $225,000 in increased ticket sales. We are already ahead of the game.[/quote]

You really think we will see that much of a bump because Major is fired? Unless we made a splash hire (i.e Larry Brown @ SMU) this isn’t going to happen.[/quote]

I agree would take a splash hire to see you that kind of jump. However we could be looking at a 1000 ticket swing. Bring Allan back I go from 4 tickets to one and I know many others feel that way. So figure new coach equals 500 new tickets bringing major back equals loss of 500.

[system]

Bring back Lutz as athletic director and head basketball coach with him eventually being just athletic director after Major’s contract ends and we are not paying a salary to two head basketball coaches. It solves paying two head coach salaries and Lutz has won more games than any other coach in our history which should be rewarded. He is a Niner Hall of Fame Coach and he is the most intelligent coach that we have ever had plus he has the personality and energy to direct our athletics department for the next 15 to 20 years. Remember what he said when he left, " my blood will always run green". He has not just his intelligence to lead us but his heart as long as he lives. Of course he will bring in Byron Dinkins as an assistant coach to groom him to be the next head coach in 5 to 10 years. If you like it better Melvin Watkins could fill the same role’ but either way we will be much better off from day one.

[49r9r]

@RC Adkins

Bring back Lutz as athletic director and head basketball coach with him eventually being just athletic director after Major’s contract ends…

Regarding the role of coach and AD, we are allowed to do that.