Huggy Bear

Collegiate Sports
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I really think you could blame our Athletic Department, Delonte Hill, and Huggy… how much percenatge you put on any of the three depends on what you consider “bad” or “over the line”

Everyone in the country knew that Beasley was going to go wherever Hill was… you would think we would put something in his contract as soon as they changed the NBA rule (I’ve read somewhere that Beasley really wasn’t even going to play in college but they changed the rule so he had too and he was going to follow Hill and play for a year to help him out) The AD should have known that we need to keep Hill here if we wanted to keep Beasley, put some sort of clause in his contract about going to another school or something, I think we handled that poor.

Now think about this, if you work for a company and you like where you are, but let’s say another company comes along and says, “we will double your salary if you come work for us” If you like the company you work for, wouldn’t you at least tell them that they are making you an offer to pay you a lot more… give them a chance to match? He didn’t do that, and to add insult he left a message saying he was leaving… I think that’s pretty messed up to do to a place that gave you 2 second chances. (Talking about Hill)

So now on Huggy… I’m sure he went to the KSU AD and said if we get Hill here we have a top 5 recruit next year gauranteed… all they had to do is write the check… is that messed up? I guess it depends on who you ask, I think it kind of is but I also think if the other two players (Hill and our AD) did their end it wouldn’t have come to that.[/quote]

I am SOOO sick of this revisionist history. Beasley was NOT even on the map when Lutz gave Hill a job, as he had done previously with former players (ie; Dee Tolliver). Bobby did NOT give Hill the job because of Beasley. Beasley was not well known (certainly not a to-rated player) at the time Hill was hired.

However, it is clear that Huggins DID 100% unequivocably hire Hill to get Beasley. It was the 11th hour and Beasley was a top 5 player coming out. Again, keep in mind (as someone posted above) that all this came on the heels of Lutz going out of his way to “stand up” for Huggins during his trouble. This was Huggs thank you. I actually liked Huggins during our rivalry years, but after the Beasley/Hill back-stabbing I no longer respected him as a person.

Also, they didn’t double his salary initially. It was MORE than doubled later though. Initially, he left for ~what he was making here although I’m sure they “promised him more down the road”.[/quote]

Calm down buddy. I never said Beasley was around when we hired Hill, but as soon as we got the commitement from Beasley because of Hill there should have been some contract extensions as well as additional perks, top 5 players are program changers and if the AD doesn’t know this they got what they derserved… Hell everytime a coach makes it to the sweet 16 they get 5 years extended on their contract and a raise… we couldn’t do the same for Hill to keep him here?

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What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a shit even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…

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[quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

To be able to “deliver”, they have to first get to the job, and it’s hard to do that when you’re driver’s license has been revoked.

90% of the people don’t care about ethic? I really want to work for that company. Where can I sign up?

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[quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

…and here in a nutshell is why our country is going down the tubes.

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[quote=“919R, post:64, topic:22957”][quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

…and here in a nutshell is why our country is going down the tubes.[/quote]Thread over. 919R is the WINNER !!!

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[quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

And your image is your business, and when your image is your “guy with 20 DUIs” you lose business.

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[quote=“X-49er, post:63, topic:22957”][quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

To be able to “deliver”, they have to first get to the job, and it’s hard to do that when you’re driver’s license has been revoked.

90% of the people don’t care about ethic? I really want to work for that company. Where can I sign up?[/quote]

You are completely missing the point.

Bob Huggins is in the top 0.5% of coaches. He will always have the opportunity to redeem himself, because there is literally only a handful of people better at what he does.

I guarantee you, 99.9% of this board has never even met a person in the top 0.5% of what they do for a living, and that is why you can’t comprehend why a guy like this is given so many chances.

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[quote=“Charlotte2002, post:67, topic:22957”][quote=“X-49er, post:63, topic:22957”][quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

To be able to “deliver”, they have to first get to the job, and it’s hard to do that when you’re driver’s license has been revoked.

90% of the people don’t care about ethic? I really want to work for that company. Where can I sign up?[/quote]

You are completely missing the point.

Bob Huggins is in the top 0.5% of coaches. He will always have the opportunity to redeem himself, because there is literally only a handful of people better at what he does.

I guarantee you, 99.9% of this board has never even met a person in the top 0.5% of what they do for a living, and that is why you can’t comprehend why a guy like this is given so many chances.[/quote]

So my question is, woould you hire him at Charlotte if it was at all feasible?

I vote no, character has to count for something even in this whores world.

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I would hire Huggins in a heartbeat. He is an elite coach.

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[quote=“Charlotte2002, post:67, topic:22957”][quote=“X-49er, post:63, topic:22957”][quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

To be able to “deliver”, they have to first get to the job, and it’s hard to do that when you’re driver’s license has been revoked.

90% of the people don’t care about ethic? I really want to work for that company. Where can I sign up?[/quote]

You are completely missing the point.

Bob Huggins is in the top 0.5% of coaches. He will always have the opportunity to redeem himself, because there is literally only a handful of people better at what he does.

I guarantee you, 99.9% of this board has never even met a person in the top 0.5% of what they do for a living, and that is why you can’t comprehend why a guy like this is given so many chances.[/quote]

I’m not missing the point. The point is wrong. No one should EVER be so inexpendable that they can have a shitty character and keep a job like Huggins has, or get the some job elsewhere. Period.

There might be a nuclear scientist or a computer hacker that we as a country might have to make an exception for to maintain national security, but a basketball coach is nowhere close to being in that category.

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[quote=“X-49er, post:70, topic:22957”][quote=“Charlotte2002, post:67, topic:22957”][quote=“X-49er, post:63, topic:22957”][quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

To be able to “deliver”, they have to first get to the job, and it’s hard to do that when you’re driver’s license has been revoked.

90% of the people don’t care about ethic? I really want to work for that company. Where can I sign up?[/quote]

You are completely missing the point.

Bob Huggins is in the top 0.5% of coaches. He will always have the opportunity to redeem himself, because there is literally only a handful of people better at what he does.

I guarantee you, 99.9% of this board has never even met a person in the top 0.5% of what they do for a living, and that is why you can’t comprehend why a guy like this is given so many chances.[/quote]

I’m not missing the point. The point is wrong. No one should EVER be so inexpendable that they can have a shitty character and keep a job like Huggins has, or get the some job elsewhere. Period.

There might be a nuclear scientist or a computer hacker that we as a country might have to make an exception for to maintain national security, but a basketball coach is nowhere close to being in that category.[/quote]

Yes you are missing the point. Who says “no one should ever be so inexpendable that they can have a shitty character and keep a job.” Is it your job to judge people?

Everyone uses advantages that they have in life. If you can be a fuck up but still coach because you are the best of the best, so be it. Would I behave in that way? No, but I am not the best of the best of anything, so there is no way I can know how I would be as a person if I was.

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I think Huggins is a really good coach, but has he really ever won anything? I know he hasn’t had UNC/Duke/UK/KU talent, although his talent isn’t horrible either, but he’s been to 1 final four and largely underacheived with the Cincy teams when he got to the tourney. He also, for years beat up on an underwhelming CUSA (b/c remember it wasn’t all rainbows and gumdrops like it was the last few years).

I could see excusing him if he had championships to his name, or hell multiple opportunities at them, but he hasn’t. I don’t even see him on the same level as Aww Shucks during his tenure at KU.

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Dunno but if I’m the one hiring, I’m thinking you’re a very poor decision maker. People who make poor decisions about driving drunk are likely to make poor decisions elsewhere. Thanks, but no thanks.

Now, if you’re in your 50’s, have a spotless record and got a DUI back when you were 19 (assuming they even pulled people then), then I can get over that. But Bob was a grown man, husband, parent and well known person in college basketball. When you get a DUI at that point in your life, you have issues that I don’t want in my workplace.

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[quote=“919R, post:64, topic:22957”][quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

…and here in a nutshell is why our country is going down the tubes.[/quote]
This isn’t new.

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e[quote=“CharSFNiners, post:72, topic:22957”]I think Huggins is a really good coach, but has he really ever won anything? I know he hasn’t had UNC/Duke/UK/KU talent, although his talent isn’t horrible either, but he’s been to 1 final four and largely underacheived with the Cincy teams when he got to the tourney. He also, for years beat up on an underwhelming CUSA (b/c remember it wasn’t all rainbows and gumdrops like it was the last few years).

I could see excusing him if he had championships to his name, or hell multiple opportunities at them, but he hasn’t. I don’t even see him on the same level as Aww Shucks during his tenure at KU.[/quote]

Bob Huggins has turned three different schools into national powers. You may not remember how dominant Cincy was when he was there because it is easy to be incubated by the ACC cocoon, but they should have won a title before Martin’s leg snapped. They were head and shoulders above every other team that year. WVU was very close to winning a title this year and fell victim to the injury bug.

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[quote=“Charlotte2002, post:71, topic:22957”][quote=“X-49er, post:70, topic:22957”][quote=“Charlotte2002, post:67, topic:22957”][quote=“X-49er, post:63, topic:22957”][quote=“walaboom, post:62, topic:22957”]What does DUI have anything to do with a person’s ability to deliver on a job?

If I have a sales guy that wins me contract over contract or a designer that come up with better and better design, I wouldn’t give a s*** even if they have 20 DUIs.

Everything is about money, it is all BUSINESS

When it comes to money and business, 90% of the people simply don’t give a crap about ethic. Just saying…[/quote]

To be able to “deliver”, they have to first get to the job, and it’s hard to do that when you’re driver’s license has been revoked.

90% of the people don’t care about ethic? I really want to work for that company. Where can I sign up?[/quote]

You are completely missing the point.

Bob Huggins is in the top 0.5% of coaches. He will always have the opportunity to redeem himself, because there is literally only a handful of people better at what he does.

I guarantee you, 99.9% of this board has never even met a person in the top 0.5% of what they do for a living, and that is why you can’t comprehend why a guy like this is given so many chances.[/quote]

I’m not missing the point. The point is wrong. No one should EVER be so inexpendable that they can have a shitty character and keep a job like Huggins has, or get the some job elsewhere. Period.

There might be a nuclear scientist or a computer hacker that we as a country might have to make an exception for to maintain national security, but a basketball coach is nowhere close to being in that category.[/quote]

Yes you are missing the point. Who says “no one should ever be so inexpendable that they can have a shitty character and keep a job.” Is it your job to judge people?[/quote]

It’s absolutely my job to judge them when I’m interviewing them and considering them for a position within my company and someone that will have a reflection upon me and the company I own/work for. What the hell do you think an interview is for? Even if I’ve seen their resume and the results of their work, 90% of the time I don’t know them from Adam until I interview said person. So yes, you do judge them and you have to so you don’t end up with a piece of s*** working for you. When I see DUI on their resume (and you have to report your driving record for any position I hire for), that doesn’t increase their chances. They’re down 0-2 in the count before they ever sit down. Huggins is in a dictatorship position where he can act like an ass and get away with it because nobody HAS to do business with him in the outside world. You pull that crap in the real world and your office chemistry will be destroyed because you hired a piece of crap, and then continued enabling him/her by not getting rid of them once you know they are a turd. Even the good people in your workplace aren’t going to react well to that. When it comes to hiring people, I’ll take a little less on paper to get a lot more in person. In the end you will have far fewer problems.

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That’s just it, though, DUI is a usually just a misdemenor, not a felony.

People get DUIs and don’t lose their job at every level. I bet you’ve even worked with people who have them or worked for people who have had them. It’s not a career ender at any level.

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Not related to you and X’s debate, but I don’t think WVU stood a chance against Duke either way. Also, I really think WVU got lucky hitting all those 3 balls against Kentucky. If they played UK again 3 times, I think UK would win all 3. (But they did beat UK when it counted, still can’t take it away from them.)

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Not related to you and X’s debate, but I don’t think WVU stood a chance against Duke either way. Also, I really think WVU got lucky hitting all those 3 balls against Kentucky. If they played UK again 3 times, I think UK would win all 3. (But they did beat UK when it counted, still can’t take it away from them.)[/quote]

WVU was down a starter and lost a second one in the Duke game. Their back-up PG was a shadow of himself after he was racked with injuries. Not saying that WVU would have beaten Duke if both guys stayed healthy, but to say they didn’t stand a chance is crazy to me.

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[quote=“Powerbait, post:77, topic:22957”]That’s just it, though, DUI is a usually just a misdemenor, not a felony.

People get DUIs and don’t lose their job at every level. I bet you’ve even worked with people who have them or worked for people who have had them. It’s not a career ender at any level.[/quote]

I never said it was a “career ender”, but it usually is (and should be) a major detour to the long road back. People can change and many see the wrongs of there ways. Many kids make stupid mistakes and mature to never make them again. Huggy hasn’t been caught drinking and driving since his 2nd DUI in 2004, but the arrogance and assholeishness is still very much there. He hasn’t humbled one bit after that whole ordeal.