We’ll see what we get out of Jones this year. I don’t think 9-7-2 is out of the realm of possibilities. The only reason I don’t see that kind of production is if one of our new players really excels in the paint. But that is highly unlikely given the development pattern of low post players.
We'll see what we get out of Jones this year. I don't think 9-7-2 is out of the realm of possibilities. The only reason I don't see that kind of production is if one of our new players really excels in the paint. But that is highly unlikely given the development pattern of low post players.
But we have all these awesome new players coming in…
I just don’t see the 9 and 7 due to Spears presence and Braswell getting time. That and it was tough for him to exceed 20 mins of gametime last year. I’d say 6 and 4/4.5.
[QUOTE=CharSFNiners;413216]But we have all these awesome new players coming in…
I just don’t see the 9 and 7 due to Spears presence and Braswell getting time. That and it was tough for him to exceed 20 mins of gametime last year. I’d say 6 and 4/4.5.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think Spears is going to take away from Jones, especially since our PFs have a tendancy to drift. Jones is one of the few players we’ve had in a long time that generally stays in and around the paint on both ends of the floor.
I don’t expect huge things from Braswell yet, but that’s probably because I hate the team and the players.
I just don't see the 9 and 7 due to Spears presence and Braswell getting time. That and it was tough for him to exceed 20 mins of gametime last year. I'd say 6 and 4/4.5.
This is a tough one. He averaged 7.3 and 4.2 last year. He is a year older/experienced so you would think that adds a few more points and rebounds, but you can’t argue the fact that Spears and Braswell will be getting the majority of the work down low. If he can come up with a doulbe doulbe every couple of games I’d be happy.
[quote=hootie;413201]Two comments:
- I believe Briscoe is a big get- talented, scoring combo guard with an attitude could be really good for us.
I agree 100% hootie. Lutz and Moxley really stepped it up to land this kid.This maybe some of their best work.Briscoe was being seriously recruited by Duquense, Lasalle, Va Tech, NC State and Niagara.
A proven D1 gaurd with ALL-American credentials and talents is a comodity.
I agreeI hope you mean his Sr. year if he gains that eligibility. I don’t see that this year.
I think both of those guys developed some, but not enough for as much air time as they get. I think that shows with Paulus turning to football. Hansbrough started to develop a jumper, but it never became a dependable weapon for him. His shooting from the hip, get the foul call, was his bread in butter. He didn’t have much more, other than that he excelled at cleaning up on the glass, and from having other good players around him to feed him the ball off penetration. He also has pretty good hands.
Glad you realized I wasn’t saying they are bad players. I would love to have a Hansbrough style player at Charlotte. I’m referring to the developing of players. I can’t get into the full debate. I think we’ve been down that road. 
But my point is it happens everywhere. In my opinion those 2 players, and those are just 2 that came to my head quickly, weren’t any better after 4 years than they were as freshmen.
plavich didnt transfer from the sec. he originally signed with georgia tech but never went there.
oh my…
This is a tough one. He averaged 7.3 and 4.2 last year. He is a year older/experienced so you would think that adds a few more points and rebounds, but you can't argue the fact that Spears and Braswell will be getting the majority of the work down low. If he can come up with a doulbe doulbe every couple of games I'd be happy.
I really hope were not setting expectations too high for Braswell. Withers, Heyward and Demarco did not start or get the bulk of the minutes as freshmen, and I say they were pretty good.
[QUOTE=Normmm;413223]I really hope were not setting expectations too high for Braswell. Withers, Heyward and Demarco did not start or get the bulk of the minutes as freshmen, and I say they were pretty good.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I don’t know why anyone would expect Jones to regress either.
I really hope were not setting expectations too high for Braswell. Withers, Heyward and Demarco did not start or get the bulk of the minutes as freshmen, and I say they were pretty good.
I just looked it up because I was curious, Withers averaged 25 minutes as a freshman with 9.4 points and 6.4 rebounds. If we can get that from Braswell we should be good to go. Have him split time with Jones and our C position will be solid.
[QUOTE=EE9er;413229]I just looked it up because I was curious, Withers averaged 25 minutes as a freshman with 9.4 points and 6.4 rebounds. If we can get that from Braswell we should be good to go. Have him split time with Jones and our C position will be solid.[/QUOTE]
We also went 13-16 his freshman year and we had no one else in the middle.
I just looked it up because I was curious, Withers averaged 25 minutes as a freshman with 9.4 points and 6.4 rebounds. If we can get that from Braswell we should be good to go. Have him split time with Jones and our C position will be solid.
Absolutely. I hope averages 30 and 15. I just don’t want to set the expectations too high before he’s even stepped on the court.
[QUOTE=Normmm;413235]Absolutely. I hope averages 30 and 15. I just don’t want to set the expectations too high before he’s even stepped on the court.[/QUOTE]
You know that never happens here…
I don't think Spears is going to take away from Jones, especially since our PFs have a tendancy to drift. Jones is one of the few players we've had in a long time that generally stays in and around the paint on both ends of the floor.I don’t expect huge things from Braswell yet, but that’s probably because I hate the team and the players.
If Spears drifts we’re ****ed.
I don’t expect huge things either, but with his ranking, and skills, there’s no reason he shouldn’t provide a decent backbone and contributions. I hate to put weight on Freshman but I honestly think he could be the difference between a fringe NIT team to a fringe NCAA team.
This is a tough one. He averaged 7.3 and 4.2 last year. He is a year older/experienced so you would think that adds a few more points and rebounds, but you can't argue the fact that Spears and Braswell will be getting the majority of the work down low. If he can come up with a doulbe doulbe every couple of games I'd be happy.
I just don’t think he’ll receive as many touches due to more offensive options. Last year it was primarily Mack as our focus, with others mixed here and there. This year Spears along with Bowden (supposedly) should take away opportunities.
Glad you realized I wasn't saying they are bad players. I would love to have a Hansbrough style player at Charlotte. I'm referring to the developing of players. I can't get into the full debate. I think we've been down that road. :smile: But my point is it happens everywhere. In my opinion those 2 players, and those are just 2 that came to my head quickly, weren't any better after 4 years than they were as freshmen.
I don’t care if it happens everywhere. I just think with the quality of players we generally pull, they need to make sure they develop in larger numbers for the program to be more successful.
Exactly, I don't know why anyone would expect Jones to regress either.
See above, I just don’t think he’ll get as many opportunities. I’d see him getting those rebounding numbers you posted before the ppg.
I just looked it up because I was curious, Withers averaged 25 minutes as a freshman with 9.4 points and 6.4 rebounds. If we can get that from Braswell we should be good to go. Have him split time with Jones and our C position will be solid.
If Braswell can do that then I think the teams chances for post season play obviously increase. I think the only reason he may not approach Wither’s numbers is b/c from what I’ve seen Curt had a little more well rounded game, where Braswell is more adept down low with his back to the basket.
These threads are turning into the religious ones… nobody knows anything until November, but I guess we need something to bicker about… 
I just looked it up because I was curious, Withers averaged 25 minutes as a freshman with 9.4 points and 6.4 rebounds. If we can get that from Braswell we should be good to go. Have him split time with Jones and our C position will be solid.
I just checked too. Curtis absolutely got the bulk of the minutes. You’re right. But this even surprises me. Tory Reed started 21 games, While Withers started 18 (and Reed was injured/out for 3 games).
We also went 13-16 his freshman year and we had no one else in the middle.
I believe we had Clemmons, Withers, and Butter each getting about 25 minutes in the middle that year.
If we have Jones, Braswell, and Spears each getting about 25 minutes in the middle, I think we could get some better combined production. (Although Spears might be a little ahead of that bunch w/expected minutes)
You’re right, I forgot about Cal. I think Jones is better than Calvin Clemmons, if not as brutish. I liked the way Cal played more, but I would rather have Phil Jones. Maybe I’m just crazy though.
Butter did play a lot of time at PF, but I think we can all agree he was very much a SF.
Butter did play a lot of time at PF, but I think we can all agree he was very much a SF.
The same could be said of Spears, who still retains the jump shot of a SF and was recruited by BC as such.
But I’m still anticipating that Spears will be a much better post option than Butter.
plavich didnt transfer from the sec. he originally signed with georgia tech but never went there.
He transferred here from Vanderbilt. Last I checked, that was SEC.
But that’s off-topic. Then again, such is the fate of this entire thread all of a sudden.
Back on track…though I haven’t chimed in much about it, I’m VERY excited about us nabbing Briscoe. It’d be damn nice to have him off the bat, but still. It’ll be great to have someone who has proven himself in D1 ball already coming onto the court during Dijuan’s last year. Should make for a good transition if the kid pans out.
EDIT:
Survivor, at times…I’m not so sure that a well-trained monkey wasn’t a better post option than Butter. While I loved Butter to death, good lord…and that just opens up the floor for discussion of his interesting 3-point shot selection. I seem to recall a certain game versus some C-USA team (I think they were called the ThugCats or something like that) in which our friend Butter pulled up to fire one off from the corner only to hear a resounding, simultaneous “NO!” from what seemed to be the greater majority of Halton Arena.