I think Lost will end with an epic battle between bad John Locke and good John Locke at a junk yard. Bad Locke will win the fight until he picks up good John Locke’s wheelchair and crushes it with his hand. Then good John Locke will pop out of a conveyor belt and kick the shit out of bad John Locke.
It would be an unexpected ending to the series.
[quote=“jcl49er, post:1696, topic:8740”]I may have overlooked it in this thread but is anyone giving consideration to Frank’s character being of importance? He’s been alongside the main characters for most of the series. He’s in the “Last Supper” photo and still has an active role on the show.
Are the writers just keeping him around/alive because he’ll eventually need to fly a plane off the island or is there more to his story? It would be kind of odd to just let him linger around without a bigger purpose than piloting a plane at some point.[/quote]
I thought Illana would have a more important role to play, but then she went boom. They haven’t developed Frank’s character, so hopefully he doesn’t have some greater purpose.
I think Lost will end with an epic battle between bad John Locke and good John Locke at a junk yard. Bad Locke will win the fight until he picks up good John Locke's wheelchair and crushes it with his hand. Then good John Locke will pop out of a conveyor belt and kick the s*** out of bad John Locke.
This is one of the two endings I fear - Real Locke vs. fLocke. The other is the ALT being an epilogue, but I don’t think I have to fear that anymore.
Locke vs Locke is kind of funny. But that wouldn’t really be the battle, as fLocke isn’t Locke. I thought we saw the island’s purpose for Locke, so that the smoke monster could use his body, then the island was done with him.
Still think a Jack and Sawyer battle is more likely.
My two ending theories are -
1 - Jack as the new MiB and Sawyer as the new Jacob
2 - MiB wins in the island timeline; Jacob wins in the ALT timeline
[quote=“survivor45, post:1698, topic:8740”]Y’know that mysterious boy character?
We first saw him when he was a little blonde haired boy. He wasn’t totally ‘real’ yet and not everyone could see him. Then we saw him as a darker haired teenager and more characters could see him, as he’s becoming more and more real. He seems to spook the hell out of the Man in Black, too. [/quote]
I know others seem the think the boy disappeared when we first saw him but I disagree. If you go back and watch the episode, I think Sawyer saw him and then Richard didn’t. But I got the impression that the boy ran off by the time Richard turned around to look for him, not that he was invisible to Richard.
Jack as MIB? Not going to happen, Jack’s a good guy and MIB is a bad guy.
I think the boy is Jacob, he’s the only one that puts fear in MIB.
I think Desmond hitting Locke will trigger a connection for Locke and the island, but why hasn’t Locke already had flashes of the island, he’s dead after all. Is it because he didn’t die on the island? Wouldn’t he have had some sort of flashback when he met Boone on the plane? Didn’t he shake Boone’s hand? I wonder if Boone has connected the dots since he died on the island?
You need an intense event to have the memory merge. So he needed a little more than a handshake.
Any chance MiB is a genie or became a genie?
[i]In Arabic, a genie (also jinni, djinni, from Arabic [font=arial]جني[/font] jinnī) is a supernatural creature which occupies a parallel world to that of mankind, and together with humans and angels makes up the three sentient creations of God (Allah). According to the Qur’ān, there are two creations that have free will: humans and jinn. We do not know many details about them; however, the Qur’an mentions that jinn are made of smoke and/or fire, and they form communities just like humans, and, just like humans, [b]they can be good or evil.
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[quote=“ninermac, post:1699, topic:8740”]Hmmm, Little Locke being interviewed by Richard:
[/quote]Notice the ‘sand’
You need an intense event to have the memory merge. So he needed a little more than a handshake.
Any chance MiB is a genie or became a genie?
[i]In Arabic, a genie (also jinni, djinni, from Arabic [font=arial]جني[/font] jinnī) is a supernatural creature which occupies a parallel world to that of mankind, and together with humans and angels makes up the three sentient creations of God (Allah). According to the Qur’ān, there are two creations that have free will: humans and jinn. We do not know many details about them; however, the Qur’an mentions that jinn are made of smoke and/or fire, and they form communities just like humans, and, just like humans, [b]they can be good or evil.
[/b][/i]Jinn - Wikipedia[/quote]
Like getting hit by a car, and perhaps being able to walk again 
Good episode. Felt like a massive set up episode for next week. It appears the rest of the series will play out like this - major island action next episode, MiB/Jacob backstory episode, and then we’re basically into the three hour finale.
They’ve hinted at mirrors being significant in the ALT, but now they’ve driven that point home with Jack looking at Locke in a mirror.
With Jack now joining with Locke, I think it’s less likely that Jack becomes the new MiB and more likely he becomes the new Jacob or figures out a way to eliminate the smoke monster entirely.
I still can’t figure out what they are going to do in the ALT to affect the OR. With nearly every character now understanding the had an OR, they will have to take some sort of action. What that action is? Anyone have a good theory?
[quote=“NovaNiner, post:1709, topic:8740”]With Jack now joining with Locke, I think it’s less likely that Jack becomes the new MiB and more likely he becomes the new Jacob or figures out a way to eliminate the smoke monster entirely.
I still can’t figure out what they are going to do in the ALT to affect the OR. With nearly every character now understanding the had an OR, they will have to take some sort of action. What that action is? Anyone have a good theory?[/quote]
I don’t know if this means anything but USA today had a Lost quiz about the Hurley episode on Monday and one of the questions was about Desmond running over Locke and they pointed out (had a photo) that Locke’s wheelchair was not damaged. Then when Locke was in the ambulance in last night’s episode they stated that his wheelchair was destroyed. I don’t know what that could possibly mean, maybe it’s a mistake on the show, but they typically don’t make mistakes.
I’m not sold that Jack is with Locke, even though Locke said “you’re with me now.” I think Jack will do what he can to keep Locke from leaving the island.
Was getting shot Sun’s connection to the island? She was freaking out when she saw Locke in the hospital.
Since when does a cop barge into someone’s house without asking if they can come in? If I’m harboring a criminal I would never let a cop into my house without a search warrant. The cops never did that when they were trying to nap Hurley. And how did they figure out who Sayid was? They had an image of what he looked like but how did they get the name and location of his relatives?
[quote=“NovaNiner, post:1709, topic:8740”]Good episode. Felt like a massive set up episode for next week. It appears the rest of the series will play out like this - major island action next episode, MiB/Jacob backstory episode, and then we’re basically into the three hour finale.
They’ve hinted at mirrors being significant in the ALT, but now they’ve driven that point home with Jack looking at Locke in a mirror.
With Jack now joining with Locke, I think it’s less likely that Jack becomes the new MiB and more likely he becomes the new Jacob or figures out a way to eliminate the smoke monster entirely.
I still can’t figure out what they are going to do in the ALT to affect the OR. With nearly every character now understanding the had an OR, they will have to take some sort of action. What that action is? Anyone have a good theory?[/quote]
I dont get it, how did Sun notice him right away? She hasn’t died on the other island, so how would she recognize him? Did I miss something from an earlier episode?
As for theory, I can’t even start to think of one…
Perhaps they all realize they must kill Locke? He may connect with this other reality somehow?
The way they were talking about his back, and how they specifically mentioned he had never walked still leads me to believe that Locke will walk, but that Jack will be the one who fixes him. Maybe that somehow will tie into the island and Jack doing something to fLocke? I dont know, I really just can’t say
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Ha! Yes, I’m just as “Lost” as ever.
I think they sort of cleaned up the Christian stuff. Makes sense that he would use his body to lure Jack. But doesn’t explain why it’s significant that Jack an Claire are brother and sister. Now seems like a useless story. Also doesn’t explain why the voices (and people like Michael) are stuck on the island.
I thought my Jack vs Sawyer theory was dead when they were on the boat together. But of course, Jack then jumps off. So theory still holds up.
Still really confused about the flash forwards. I have to assume they all make it off the island and these are true flash forwards. Maybe Jack botches up the surgery and kills fLocke?
[quote=“Gill2003, post:1711, topic:8740”]Perhaps they all realize they must kill Locke? He may connect with this other reality somehow?
The way they were talking about his back, and how they specifically mentioned he had never walked still leads me to believe that Locke will walk, but that Jack will be the one who fixes him. Maybe that somehow will tie into the island and Jack doing something to fLocke? I dont know, I really just can’t say[/quote]
Let’s kill the crippled guy because he’s an evil smoke monster in another reality! I think that would go over well.
I still think that it’s not fLocke in the ALT, but they are connected and they can use that somehow. That’s really my only running theory about the ALT.
Also doesn't explain why the voices (and people like Michael) are stuck on the island.
I think Jacob or the island are holding them there.
Still really confused about the flash forwards. I have to assume they all make it off the island and these are true flash forwards. Maybe Jack botches up the surgery and kills fLocke?
Definitely not flash forwards. I think we can now say that with 99.9% certainty.
CPA, I think LOST has it’s fair share of continuity errors just like every other TV show/movie. Fans just scrutinize them more looking for meaning where there probably is none.
[quote=“NovaNiner, post:1713, topic:8740”][quote=“Gill2003, post:1711, topic:8740”]Perhaps they all realize they must kill Locke? He may connect with this other reality somehow?
The way they were talking about his back, and how they specifically mentioned he had never walked still leads me to believe that Locke will walk, but that Jack will be the one who fixes him. Maybe that somehow will tie into the island and Jack doing something to fLocke? I dont know, I really just can’t say[/quote]
Let’s kill the crippled guy because he’s an evil smoke monster in another reality! I think that would go over well.
I still think that it’s not fLocke in the ALT, but they are connected and they can use that somehow. That’s really my only running theory about the ALT.
Also doesn't explain why the voices (and people like Michael) are stuck on the island.[b]I think Jacob or the island are holding them there. [/b][/color]
Still really confused about the flash forwards. I have to assume they all make it off the island and these are true flash forwards. Maybe Jack botches up the surgery and kills fLocke?[b]Definitely not flash forwards. I think we can now say that with 99.9% certainty. CPA, I think LOST has it's fair share of continuity errors just like every other TV show/movie. Fans just scrutinize them more looking for meaning where there probably is none. [/color][/b][/quote][b][/color]
Good catch! Your right it would. Sun was freaking out it appeared, so I could see it if the producers throw in some moral diliema and struggle with Jack.
And I think your right. Didn’t Jacob make that clear when he was explaining the island to Richard? [color=black][/b]
My assumption is that Sun getting shot was her near death experience that triggered her memories. I agree with Nova, I think that’s the real Locke in the sideways, not MIB as Locke.
Here’s something to think about, if MIB needs a pilot to get off the island then why did he kill the pilot in the very first episode?
One more thought, if MIB appeared as Christian then we know he moved about on the island, but when Locke saw Jacob (who I now believe to be MIB) in Jacob’s cabin the cabin was surrounded by ash and MIB unable to get out correct? We know Illana’s group noticed the break in the ash around the cabin from last season. So my question is, if that was MIB in the cabin; who captured him and put him there and who freed him?
Claire freed him, good question about who put him there.
[quote=“CPA_Niner, post:1715, topic:8740”]My assumption is that Sun getting shot was her near death experience that triggered her memories. I agree with Nova, I think that’s the real Locke in the sideways, not MIB as Locke.
Here’s something to think about, if MIB needs a pilot to get off the island then why did he kill the pilot in the very first episode?
One more thought, if MIB appeared as Christian then we know he moved about on the island, but when Locke saw Jacob (who I now believe to be MIB) in Jacob’s cabin the cabin was surrounded by ash and MIB unable to get out correct? We know Illana’s group noticed the break in the ash around the cabin from last season. So my question is, if that was MIB in the cabin; who captured him and put him there and who freed him?[/quote]
I originally thought that was Jacob’s cabin, and that he put the sand around it to protect himself from MiB. But that proved wrong.
So I wonder if its the other way around, that MiB was put in the cabin by Jacob. But if he was locked in, then I wonder how come the smoke monster was running around? They sand was broken way after we saw the smoke monster running around right?
If the MiB was appearing as Jacks dad, but he also cant leave the island, then how did he appear to Jack in the hospital when Jack left the island or to Michael on the boat before it blew up?
I havent been a fan of the past 2 episodes. I know I’m in the minority on this here judging from the comments. The Illana explosion really bothers me, and its a reason that this show frustrates me so much. Why introduce her so late in the game, give her backstory and spend considerable time on her only to blow her up like that?
I get that. But is it a continuity issue, just because they don’t have the time to show everybody. For instance, why hasn’t Libby come back to help Hurley? Or Juliet to help Sawyer? Or Miles’ dad? Etc.
Definitely not flash forwards. I think we can now say that with 99.9% certainty.[/quote]
How’s that? They mention being on the flight back from Australia, and regaining memories from being on the island.
As for fLocke, I can’t decide for sure. But it seems strange that at first Desmond tells him that he is John Locke. Then after fLocke pushes him down the well, it cuts immediately to him hitting Locke in the ALT world.
[quote=“casstommy, post:1718, topic:8740”]If the MiB was appearing as Jacks dad, but he also cant leave the island, then how did he appear to Jack in the hospital when Jack left the island or to Michael on the boat before it blew up?
I havent been a fan of the past 2 episodes. I know I’m in the minority on this here judging from the comments. The Illana explosion really bothers me, and its a reason that this show frustrates me so much. Why introduce her so late in the game, give her backstory and spend considerable time on her only to blow her up like that?[/quote]
Lost does a great job of creating the next Big Man on Campus. I was really bothered by this with the Dogen character. Similar with Pierre and Horace. Also, with Ben. They say he was so affluent, knowledgeable and orchestrating stuff of the island. Now he’s been pretty irrelevant this whole season.
