[quote=“Chipper, post:89, topic:22911”]Can we offer a class on posting nested quotes? These posts with about 10-15 nested quoted maked it tough on the eyes.
I still like the sound of this guy.[/quote]
Sign me up! Please!
I’m almost more excited about the possibility of Hopkins than I am for Kelsey.
Bring us some of that spectacular Zone D, please!
[quote=“Nugget, post:100, topic:22911”]The question that Hopkins needs to ask himself is does he want to be the Coach Guthridge of Syracuse? If he comes to Charlotte and is successful for five years he is even better positioned to take over the Orange. If he fails, he is screwed, but what kind of coach ever believes they can’t do the job?[/quote]I am with JCL. You don’t take this job if you are set to have Cuse. I am sure he would jump at a 1M BCS gig. Don’t think for a second these guys aren’t aware how tough it is to win here in ACC SEC country and not aware of the major hurdles
Hopkins is going to take the job here or get a nice raise from Syracuse. I’d guess the latter.
I guess all of the Super Bowl winners are shams, too? Give me a break. You are what your record says you are, not what some dipshit analyst rates you.[/quote]
Again, I probably shouldn’t bite. It’s not as reasonable to do it in football because of the risk of injury. The same reason they only play a fraction of the games compared to basketball.
Do you really think the best team always wins? That’s crazy talk.
By the logic of you are what your record says you are, Kentucky and Kansas are better because their record is still better than any other team.[/quote]
We’re going to have to agree to disagree, but the fact remains that the National Champions are the only team recognized as the best team in the country in the record books.
If you want to start keeping track of who you like the most and declaring them the best, then by all means have fun. Might as well not even play the game, though, since it’s decided by quantity of All-Americans in your book. Perhaps we can rename men’s basketball to men’s recruiting and give out trophies in November.
Are you Judy or Phil?
Are you Judy or Phil?[/quote]
Neither. Mike Hopkins
Question: YOu have been an assistant coach in the same school for 15 years and absolutely NO HC experience. The current head coach shows no plans to step down anytime soon. Do you risk being a 20 year asst coach with No HC experience, bank on taking over Cuse and living the good life? BUT what if you fail at Cuse? You are a 20 yr asst coach with 3 yrs failed HC expernece at BCS school and suddenly join the ranks of the ‘retreads.’
If you honestly believe there are no guarantees in life, you take a good HC job and wait. Believe me, if SU loves him so much, they will know how to get in contact with him in Charlotte.
[quote=“Jim Utter, post:108, topic:22911”]Question: YOu have been an assistant coach in the same school for 15 years and absolutely NO HC experience. The current head coach shows no plans to step down anytime soon. Do you risk being a 20 year asst coach with No HC experience, bank on taking over Cuse and living the good life? BUT what if you fail at Cuse? You are a 20 yr asst coach with 3 yrs failed HC expernece at BCS school and suddenly join the ranks of the ‘retreads.’
If you honestly believe there are no guarantees in life, you take a good HC job and wait. Believe me, if SU loves him so much, they will know how to get in contact with him in Charlotte.[/quote]
I agree. Coaching is one profession where you need to look no further than tomorrow… All it takes is a new AD or Pres at SU to flush any next in line scenarios. They will know where to find him.
[font=times new roman][font=Georgia][size=15px]Ladies and gentlemen, as the head of the ‘Hire Butch Pierre’ campaign, it looks pretty apparent tonight that he will not, in fact, achieve the necessary delegates to become a nominee for our program.[/size][/font][/font]
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My commitment to him will remain and I know Pierre will become a great head coach in the future. But I know I should also do everything possible to unite our program, so that we can be the best program we can be, not only for ourselves, but for the future generations, just as I owe previous generations all that they have done for us.[/size][/font][/font]
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Candidate Kelsey has run an honorable campaign because he’s an honorable man. Throughout, I saw him as having one of the best resumes. He has a great track record of recruiting in the state of North Carolina without the ease of being affiliated with a Duke or Kansas. He impressed bosses Prosser, Gaudio, and Mack. And he did not have a head coaching record that stank of failure. As one of the earliest names suggested in the process, the thought of Kelsey being named the next head coach of Charlotte generated a response in a most civil, positive manner. And I’m grateful for having his name associated with the job.[/size][/font][/font]
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But, after sleeping on it, I’m even more impressed with the candidacy of Coach Hopkins. Hopkins’ head coaching abilities is thought so highly at Syracuse that he was officially named successor to #1 seeded Syracuse. Would Kansas or Duke or Kentucky officially name one of their assistants as an official successor without inquiring top national coaches first? I doubt it. This implies a readiness to become a head coach that is unusual among assistants and demonstrates that Mike Hopkins is an important commodity to the Syracuse program. Hopkins’ teaching abilities, ability to recruit Syracuse’s most important players, his knack at guard development, and his in-your-face, dive-on-the-floor-for-loose-balls aggressive, exciting style will fit perfectly with Charlotte. I believe that Mike Hopkins is the choice to get the job done and to perform said job with honor.[/size][/font][/font]
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It’s now important that we turn our attention not to what could have been or what we wanted to have been, but what now must be, and that is a united program, a program that, indeed, comes together on the principle of winning basketball games.[/size][/font][/font]
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So, I concede the nomination of Butch Pierre and let Pierre gracefully dance off into the sunset. And I throw my full support to Mike Hopkins. May God bless America.[/size][/font][/font]
[quote=“Jim Utter, post:108, topic:22911”]Question: YOu have been an assistant coach in the same school for 15 years and absolutely NO HC experience. The current head coach shows no plans to step down anytime soon. Do you risk being a 20 year asst coach with No HC experience, bank on taking over Cuse and living the good life? BUT what if you fail at Cuse? You are a 20 yr asst coach with 3 yrs failed HC expernece at BCS school and suddenly join the ranks of the ‘retreads.’
If you honestly believe there are no guarantees in life, you take a good HC job and wait. Believe me, if SU loves him so much, they will know how to get in contact with him in Charlotte.[/quote]
There are MANY Syracuse fans that want Hopkins to be the head coach there right now. He isnt “banking” on being the next head coach he will be the next head coach @ syracuse.
[quote=“GetEmLOUD, post:111, topic:22911”][quote=“Jim Utter, post:108, topic:22911”]Question: YOu have been an assistant coach in the same school for 15 years and absolutely NO HC experience. The current head coach shows no plans to step down anytime soon. Do you risk being a 20 year asst coach with No HC experience, bank on taking over Cuse and living the good life? BUT what if you fail at Cuse? You are a 20 yr asst coach with 3 yrs failed HC expernece at BCS school and suddenly join the ranks of the ‘retreads.’
If you honestly believe there are no guarantees in life, you take a good HC job and wait. Believe me, if SU loves him so much, they will know how to get in contact with him in Charlotte.[/quote]
There are MANY Syracuse fans that want Hopkins to be the head coach there right now. He isnt “banking” on being the next head coach he will be the next head coach @ syracuse.[/quote]
I wouldn’t say MANY. Boeheim will coach at Syracuse as long as he wants to, as long as they don’t fall off the map and just stop making the tournament each year.
[quote=“GetEmLOUD, post:111, topic:22911”][quote=“Jim Utter, post:108, topic:22911”]Question: YOu have been an assistant coach in the same school for 15 years and absolutely NO HC experience. The current head coach shows no plans to step down anytime soon. Do you risk being a 20 year asst coach with No HC experience, bank on taking over Cuse and living the good life? BUT what if you fail at Cuse? You are a 20 yr asst coach with 3 yrs failed HC expernece at BCS school and suddenly join the ranks of the ‘retreads.’
If you honestly believe there are no guarantees in life, you take a good HC job and wait. Believe me, if SU loves him so much, they will know how to get in contact with him in Charlotte.[/quote]
There are MANY Syracuse fans that want Hopkins to be the head coach there right now. He isnt “banking” on being the next head coach he will be the next head coach @ syracuse.[/quote]
And there are just as many Syracuse fans that think that Boeheim should keep the job for however long he wants it.
Detractors of Hopkins getting the Syracuse head coaching job mention his 0-0 lifetime coaching record. Insert the run-of-the-mill ‘dream job clause’ into Hopkins’ Charlotte contract (meaning that he can leave to a specific school if the job opens up w/o penalty - Lutz had the exact same clause to leave G-W to take the asst job at his alma mater here; so have many others) and we might land ourselves a very good coach for the next few years. It’s a ‘win’ scenario for Hopkins, for Syracuse, and potentially for Charlotte.
[quote=“GetEmLOUD, post:111, topic:22911”][quote=“Jim Utter, post:108, topic:22911”]Question: YOu have been an assistant coach in the same school for 15 years and absolutely NO HC experience. The current head coach shows no plans to step down anytime soon. Do you risk being a 20 year asst coach with No HC experience, bank on taking over Cuse and living the good life? BUT what if you fail at Cuse? You are a 20 yr asst coach with 3 yrs failed HC expernece at BCS school and suddenly join the ranks of the ‘retreads.’
If you honestly believe there are no guarantees in life, you take a good HC job and wait. Believe me, if SU loves him so much, they will know how to get in contact with him in Charlotte.[/quote]
There are MANY Syracuse fans that want Hopkins to be the head coach there right now. He isnt “banking” on being the next head coach he will be the next head coach @ syracuse.[/quote]
But Jim has a very valid point. Unless you know the inner workings of how long JB will be at cuse, then you’d be talking out your ass to say exactly what Hops will do.
BTW - as an avid beer lover and a lover of the IPA, I love the fact that we could call this guy Hops. Mmmmmm.
I guess all of the Super Bowl winners are shams, too? Give me a break. You are what your record says you are, not what some dipshit analyst rates you.[/quote]
Again, I probably shouldn’t bite. It’s not as reasonable to do it in football because of the risk of injury. The same reason they only play a fraction of the games compared to basketball.
Do you really think the best team always wins? That’s crazy talk.
By the logic of you are what your record says you are, Kentucky and Kansas are better because their record is still better than any other team.[/quote]
We’re going to have to agree to disagree, but the fact remains that the National Champions are the only team recognized as the best team in the country in the record books.
If you want to start keeping track of who you like the most and declaring them the best, then by all means have fun. Might as well not even play the game, though, since it’s decided by quantity of All-Americans in your book. Perhaps we can rename men’s basketball to men’s recruiting and give out trophies in November.[/quote]
Dude, stop saying I’ve said or implied things that I haven’t. I never said the National Champion isn’t the NC. I said that the best team doesn’t always win and the 4 teams in the Final 4 aren’t necessarily the 4 best teams in the country. To think otherwise is either naive or just trying to have an argument.
I also didn’t say the best teams are because of their recruiting in November. I gave examples of 1 seeds and 2 seeds, that had first and second team AAs on them. The seedings for the NCAA take place in MARCH, AFTER the regular season and conference TOURNAMENTS take place. So they do have some value in determining how good a team is. Same for the determinations of All Americans. They essentially take place AFTER all games have taken place.
[quote=“Jim Utter, post:108, topic:22911”]Question: YOu have been an assistant coach in the same school for 15 years and absolutely NO HC experience. The current head coach shows no plans to step down anytime soon. Do you risk being a 20 year asst coach with No HC experience, bank on taking over Cuse and living the good life? BUT what if you fail at Cuse? You are a 20 yr asst coach with 3 yrs failed HC expernece at BCS school and suddenly join the ranks of the ‘retreads.’
If you honestly believe there are no guarantees in life, you take a good HC job and wait. Believe me, if SU loves him so much, they will know how to get in contact with him in Charlotte.[/quote]
I think there are many SU fans who forget about all the experience Boeheim had before he stepped up to the plate.
Eason, if Duke wasn’t in the Final Four Normmm would agree that the best 4 teams are there. 
[quote=“CMack124, post:99, topic:22911”]If I am the Syracuse AD, there is no way I promise to hand the keys to the program over to somebody without HC experience. The “coach in waiting” thing makes some sense in football to keep recruiting classes in tact because one bad class can hurt you for years. In basketball, you can immediately improve your team by hiring the right coach with the right recruits following him. It just doesn’t make sense to do this in basketball at a top-shelf program.
Point being, if I’m the AD, I tell Hopkins to go win as a HC somewhere and then I’d give him a serious look when Boeheim steps down.
If Hopkins is promised the 'Cuse gig, it doesn’t make any sense for him to leave, I agree with that.[/quote]
I agree with this line of thought. Of course we don’t know what is said behind closed doors, but maybe the AD at Syracuse is giving him some sort of timeframe or guarantee that the job is his. If so, it’s his choice to stay.
BUT - I think it makes more since if I’m the AD at Syracuse to urge him to go get some experience running the show and then when the time comes, you will be the first guy I call.
This is a must read: link
[font=verdana][size=12px]"Jim isn't going anywhere, but Mike is my next coach," Gross told the AP. Gross told the Daily Orange that the statement was taken out of context and was simply a "concept."[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=12px]"Mike, as I always maintain, is an outstanding, extraordinary, rare coach," Gross told the Daily Orange. "He is going to be a terrific head coach. He is. [b]He's going to be one of the best ever[/b] at some point. [/size][/font]
Ha! Actually I think Duke is the best team remaining and will probably win it all.