Poll: Your feelings about UNC-CH

[QUOTE=jjc2004;372024]I know, never made sense to me either. Maybe Joe can enlighten us…or wikipedia.[/QUOTE]

Best answer I’ve ever found

CINCINNATI – unofficially started using the name in early 1800’s – name officially connected to the city in 1854

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Cincinnati, Ohio, founded in 1788, was originally named Losantiville, or “town opposite the mouth of the Licking River.” A mere two years later, however, the Governor of the Northwest Territory, General Arthur St. Clair, renamed the city Cincinnati, in honor of an organization of Revolutionary War officers, the Society of Cincinnati.

Once the official name was settled, Cincinnati’s rapid growth in the early 1800s precipitated several nicknames; one of its most revered being the Queen City. As steamboats helped Cincinnati become the chief port on the Ohio River, the city shipped goods to both the Eastern U.S. and to foreign countries. The city, the fastest growing in the nation between 1835 and the 1850s, became the largest city in Ohio and the largest city in the Midwest prior to the Civil War.

Some sources report that it was the city’s proud citizens themselves who first proclaimed their magnificent home “The Queen City” or the “Queen of the West.” Long before marketing slogans and organized chambers of commerce, the residents themselves decided their grand and glorious city was regal. By 1826, co-authors Benjamin Drake and Edward Mansfield referred to city as the “Queen of the West” in their book, Cincinnati. Then in 1854, poet Henry Wadsworth Longfellow penned “Catawba Wine,” which memorialized Cincinnati’s vineyards. In the last stanza of his poem, he refers to Cincinnati as the “Queen of the West.”

In the years following, the Queen City was given many other monikers. As Cincinnati became famous as a pork packing center in the mid 1800s, it was often called “Porkopolis.” It had surpassed both Dublin and Belfast as the world’s primary pork packing centers and was chief supplier of salt pork to the British Navy. During the same time period, residents still boasting their pride also referred to their Queen City as “the London of America.” When music, arts, a university and professional baseball entered the city’s complexion in the 1870s, the Queen City was also known as “the Paris of America.”

Many businesses and products adopted the Queen City moniker for their products and companies. Clubs, manufacturers, stores and medical groups still use Queen City in their names. Cincinnati is no longer the largest city in Ohio. Columbus, the capital, now holds that title. Now that Cincinnati celebrated its Bicentennial in 1988, newer nicknames include Cincinnati USA, which refers to the Greater Cincinnati region, encompassing a 15-county region that includes three states, Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana. [/QUOTE]

CHARLOTTE – officially named after the Queen in 1768, did they use “Queen City” right away? I guess so, but can find no substantial proof.

[QUOTE]Why is Charlotte called the “Queen City?” In 1768, the town of Charlotte was incorporated and named in honor of the wife of King George III, the reigning English monarch. Charlotte citizens further honored Queen Charlotte when they named their new county Mecklenburg after her German homeland.
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It happened well too long ago for me to worry about – but I figured if I grew up in the Queen City and was moving somewhere, a place called the Queen City would have to be pretty cool.

If you want to point blame at someone, don’t blame me…blame Longfellow. :smile: If he didn’t use in his poem, it MIGHT have died off in Ohio.

ETA: I’d rather “steal” another city’s moniker than be called Porkopolis.

Damn that Longfellow. I personally like “Porkopolis”. Can I make a motion that anytime we refer to Cincinatti on this site we call it Porkopolis?

You know what would really show UNC-CH how we feel, not giving them topics on Charlotte’s message board. I’m just saying

[QUOTE=metro;372027]he’s a lawyer, I am guessing he has his undergrad from Charlotte.

so ya know, in society most adults root for their undergrad alma mater over their grad school - if they meet up on the field.[/QUOTE]

It has nothing to do with societal norms. It has everything to do with the general rule that a post-grad student doesn’t have the time to attend his post-grad school’s athletic events, and therefore doesn’t grow the same bond to the post-grad school’s athletic programs that he does to his undergrad. If, however, a post-grad was able to manage grad school work and still have time to attend games, then I could definitely see that bond to the athletic program being there.

Is he a cancer? No. He has a shared allegience, and in this case, rightfully so.

Is he a retard? The guy got a undergrad from Charlotte and a postgrad law degree from Chapel Hill. If he’s retarded, then I guess I’m pretty much ****ed.

And as far as the picture goes… I’d have to say that that was crossing a line.

I was one, and though I know I'm going to get bashed anyways, I will say that I would have preffered an "it depends" option...

If Charlotte were to play UNC tonight, I’d pull for UNC. If UNC had lost to Valpo or anyone else earlier this year, I’d pull for Charlotte. To me, it matters what effect the outcome will have on the respective team. If Charlotte is playing UNC in the tourney and they have a realistic chance at winning the title, I’d be pulling for Charlotte. If it’s obviously just an upset situation and the Heels have a chance to cut down the nets, I’m pulling for the Heels. In regular season baseball, I’m pulling for Charlotte. If it’s the regionals and we’re talking same situation, upset but no real shot at title (although looking at Fresno I guess anyone has a shot) then I’m pulling for Heels.

Some of you can call it bandwagon, but bottom line, I want championships for my schools. If both have a shot at a title, I’m going with Charlotte since obviously they need it more than Carolina to build.

Edited to add that I have degrees from both schools. Thanks for the reminder SF.

Now why did you make me waste so much time in the other thread? If you would have just said this from the get go, then there would be nothing to debate. Trying to debate with a UNC-CH fan that their team should get less coverage is futile.

Is there proof for all of this, or is this all hearsay or speculation?

Yes. We don’t have a law or medical school. Yet we’re in the largest city in the state, which would use those professions the most.

And 16th out of 16th in per student funding. That stat alone is proof enough.

If the dude has a degree from both schools…whats the big deal?

[QUOTE=casstommy;372040]If the dude has a degree from both schools…whats the big deal?[/QUOTE]

ding ding ding!

[QUOTE=thelew1014;372034]It has nothing to do with societal norms. It has everything to do with the general rule that a post-grad student doesn’t have the time to attend his post-grad school’s athletic events, and therefore doesn’t grow the same bond to the post-grad school’s athletic programs that he does to his undergrad. If, however, a post-grad was able to manage grad school work and still have time to attend games, then I could definitely see that bond to the athletic program being there.

Is he a cancer? No. He has a shared allegience, and in this case, rightfully so.

Is he a retard? The guy got a undergrad from Charlotte and a postgrad law degree from Chapel Hill. If he’s retarded, then I guess I’m pretty much ****ed.

And as far as the picture goes… I’d have to say that that was crossing a line.[/QUOTE]

Lew, u r wrong bud

Most of my friends have post grad degrees and as I said, u love your undergrad first.

Ask NA what happens when Char plays UT

The truth is this kid got seduced by baby blue and is willing to sell the Niners out if convenient.

[QUOTE=Normmm;372036]Yes. We don’t have a law or medical school. Yet we’re in the largest city in the state, which would use those professions the most.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HP49er;372038]And 16th out of 16th in per student funding. That stat alone is proof enough.[/QUOTE]

Neither of these are examples of proof, but just things on which we have come out on the terribly short end of the stick. UNC-CH could or could not have had a hand in either.

Has there been documented lobbying or petitioning by UNC-CH against us?

[QUOTE=metro;372043]Lew, u r wrong bud

Most of my friends have post grad degrees and as I said, u love your undergrad first.

Ask NA what happens when Char plays UT

The truth is this kid got seduced by baby blue and is willing to sell the Niners out if convenient.[/QUOTE]

No. I’m not wrong. You think I’m wrong. I think I’m right, and I think you’re wrong. Really, neither of us can discern who is truly right, or truly wrong.

Hot chicks are awesome. There, we agree on something.

In all seriousness, I understand your argument but find it a little bit too conformist. Because most of your friends say it’s like that, then everybody must agree. He has just as much right to consider himself a Chapel Hill alum as a Charlotte alum… sure, he got his undergrad degree here… but what is making him more money… his Charlotte undergrad or his Chapel Hil postgrad?

[QUOTE=sreniN;372044]Neither of these are examples of proof, but just things on which we have come out on the terribly short end of the stick. UNC-CH could or could not have had a hand in either.

Has there been documented lobbying or petitioning by UNC-CH against us?[/QUOTE]

There goes the neighborhood

The truth is this kid got seduced by baby blue and is willing to sell the Niners out if convenient.

Maybe the guy had a significant event happen to him when he got he post grad? Maybe he met his wife there, maybe he had a kid while in school? Who knows. A million things could have happened to a person to lead them to have a stronger connection to one school over the other.

He said he cheers for both teams, and in the rare chance his 2 schools ever played, he would make a decision to root for the team it helped the best. That seems reasonable enough.

[QUOTE=casstommy;372047]Maybe the guy had a significant event happen to him when he got he post grad? Maybe he met his wife there, maybe he had a kid while in school? Who knows. A miliion things could have happened to a person to lead them to have a stronger connection to one school over the other.

He said he cheers for both teams, and in the rare chance his 2 schools ever played, he would make a decision to root for the team it helped the best. That seems reasonable enough.[/QUOTE]

You are just spot on today!

Your avatar is still a little bit strange though…

[QUOTE=thelew1014;372045]No. I’m not wrong. You think I’m wrong. I think I’m right, and I think you’re wrong. Really, neither of us can discern who is truly right, or truly wrong.

Hot chicks are awesome. There, we agree on something.

In all seriousness, I understand your argument but find it a little bit too conformist. Because most of your friends say it’s like that, then everybody must agree. He has just as much right to consider himself a Chapel Hill alum as a Charlotte alum… sure, he got his undergrad degree here… but what is making him more money… his Charlotte undergrad or his Chapel Hil postgrad?[/QUOTE]

Trust me Lew- when you get in real life for a decade u will see what I’m sayin. People never cheer for their grad school OVER their first love…unless they are shallow.

Again its great if he cheers his Heels but not when they play us.

Your avatar is still a little bit strange though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38RuhqLjb_U

Language is a little strong. Careful if your at work.

sreniN, I’m not gonna bother at this time to provide the proof. But ask yourself these questions if there is any doubt.

  1. Why was the proposed med school “annex” at Carolinas Medical Center-University going to be run by the UNC Medical School?

  2. Why would a state university with doctoral programs receive less money per student than one that only offers bachelor degrees?

  3. Why would two former presidents of the University of North Carolina system come to the UNC Charlotte faculty and tell them to “know your place. If you want (fill in the blank) that’s what we have Chapel Hill and NC State for?”

And in the spirit of the season, welcome to NinerNation.net!

[QUOTE=HP49er;372051]sreniN, I’m not gonna bother at this time to provide the proof. But ask yourself these questions if there is any doubt.

  1. Why was the proposed med school “annex” at Carolinas Medical Center-University going to be run by the UNC Medical School?

  2. Why would a state university with doctoral programs receive less money per student than one that only offers bachelor degrees?

  3. Why would two former presidents of the University of North Carolina system come to the UNC Charlotte faculty and tell them to “know your place. If you want (fill in the blank) that’s what we have Chapel Hill and NC State for?”

And in the spirit of the season, welcome to NinerNation.net![/QUOTE]

Not to mention Chapel Hill’s lack of concern fubar-ing ours and ECU’s conference. And their bickering when we joined CUSA. I am sure Judy recd no sympathy note from Bodeur or Swofford for the domino effect.

[QUOTE=HP49er;372051]sreniN, I’m not gonna bother at this time to provide the proof. But ask yourself these questions if there is any doubt.

  1. Why was the proposed med school “annex” at Carolinas Medical Center-University going to be run by the UNC Medical School?

  2. Why would a state university with doctoral programs receive less money per student than one that only offers bachelor degrees?

  3. Why would two former presidents of the University of North Carolina system come to the UNC Charlotte faculty and tell them to “know your place. If you want (fill in the blank) that’s what we have Chapel Hill and NC State for?”

And in the spirit of the season, welcome to NinerNation.net![/QUOTE]

Thanks, it’s good to be here.

I’m sensing a little distaste for the original question, though. But the question wasn’t asked in doubt, but for use. Both of my brothers, my cousin, and two of my best friends go to chapel hill. They don’t get how/why I hate chapel hill so much.

I give them the first 2 points (I didn’t know the 3rd) but I was just wondering if there was more, hard evidence. I just wanted you to know that I don’t doubt at all that chapel hill is threatened by us and doesn’t want us to succeed.