Agree with comments regarding Henry. I donāt have stats but he passes the eye test for an impact player. Not to mention his stats would be even more gaudy if we could measure plays disrupted or the number of balls he has poked loose that other players grabbed and were given credit for the steal (such as Greenās six steals against Davidson.
[quote=āsokool, post:78, topic:26028ā][quote=āeason49, post:77, topic:26028ā]Henry is starting because heās leaps and bounds better than both Green and Briscoe.
You can argue all day that Briscoe is better than Green, but arguing heās better than Henry is just stupid.[/quote]
As I said before show me the numbers that predict this great deal of separation in production or talent that you speak of.
If you cant do that then your opinion is no more delusional or stupid than mine. ;)[/quote]
Henry is shooting a better fg%, 3pt%, gets more rebounds, steals, and assists than Briscoe. Heās a bigger body, and without question a better defender. I cant imagine a valid argument anyone would have with starting Briscoe over Henry.
Its amazing how you are single handedly pushing niner fans to almost argue againt Briscoe. Just stop it. Look, Briscoe is providing 16 minutes of valuable time a game. Heās a great spark plug off the bench and his value to the team is obvious. We all like him, and want to see him to perform well. Your incessant harping on his poor lot in life is driving everyone crazy, and it certainly isnt doing him any favors either.
Also since we r on the subject:
Henry/Luka
Briscoe/Lester
Mayfield/E-Vic
KJ/ Clayton (this could certainly switch after a few games)
Braz/Thorne (HE HAS TO PLAY SOMETIME!!)
[quote=āNiner National, post:79, topic:26028ā]I think Briscoe should definitely get the start over Green, but I imagine Major is rewarding Green for working hard and being a senior leader. Henry should absolutely be the starting PG.
3 or 4 games into the season I wasnāt so sure because Henry was turning the ball over as much or more than Green and Briscoe did last year and his offense was ugly.
The last few games heās turned it over less and looked to score more while maintaining a defensive intensity (and skillset) not matched by Green or Briscoe.[/quote] Agree about Henry, you could almost question why he isnāt getting more minutes, but Iām guessing Major is trying to avoid him wearing down (as freshmen sometimes do over a season) and also helping him keep his defensive intensity up the whole time heās in there.
There may be some seniority, but I think Major just values defense and offensive flow more than we the fans do. Green played better defense and the other guys get involved more when heās in. When Briscoe is in, it doesnāt seem a whole lot worse than Green, but to my eye the offense doesnāt move the ball quite as well (especially on getting passes into the post). On the other hand, Green just canāt seem to hit outside shots and Briscoe has had some games where he got hot (but heās also had some very cool games too, explaining why Greenās at 27% from 3 and Briscoe is at 29%, but hitting a lot more of the mid-range jumpers).
I think Major is actually alternating Green and Briscoe early in the game, so maybe the fact that Green is starting is about seniority, but later in the game he seems to play whoever helps the team more (almost seeing which one is more āonā that night).
You could argue that Voncina is the player that should get fewer minutes than he is, but I think heās Henryās backup in Majorās mind. Major doesnāt seem to want Briscoe playing pg.
[quote=āJ Felt, post:76, topic:26028ā]Henry isnāt starting because heās taller than Deuce, heās starting because he sets the tone defensively.
And if you havenāt noticed, his offense is starting to come around too.
Now, if you want to argue that Deuce should be starting over Derrio, you might have more people agreeing with you.
Part of Braswellās success this year could be credited to getting the ball in the post more effectively. Wonder why that is.[/quote]
Not arguing whether Henry should be starting or not because he is just as deserving given his level of play as Briscoe,or Green.
However it is preposterous to say based on Henryās present performance and Deuce and Derrioās body of work that Henry is better than Briscoe or Green at this point in Henryās career.
We have 3 guards who have shown basically the same level of play and two who have sustained that level over a longer period and against better competition.
Therefore it is my conclusion that Majorās decision not to play Derrio and Deuce together is solely based on Majorās disturbing SIZE FETISH. (See Lukaās 16min per game avg :o )
Henry is a defensive gem but has nowhere near the offensive skills as Deuce and Derrio. Defensive stoppers can come of the bench too.
Again Henry shoots 60% from the foul line how is that an asset from the PG position.
Henry is a avg passer and ballhandler at best he only avg 3ast per game compared to 2 toās. When or if his level reaches 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 like the better guards in the A-10 then that would be indicative of a good to great ballhandler
Derrio has reached double figure assits against Big 6 caliber competition on occasion. Derrio had 6 steals against Davidson :
Many of our fans spend so much time focusing on what Deuce and Derrio dont didnāt well that you are oblivious to the many talents and at times stellar play that they did exhibit.
I think Henry is in time going to be a fine player. But unlike Major and many on this board I dont give away accolades.
Heāll have to prove his worth over the course of a season of A-10 conference play as Deuce and Derrio have already proven to be quality guards.
[quote=ācasstommy, post:82, topic:26028ā][quote=āsokool, post:78, topic:26028ā][quote=āeason49, post:77, topic:26028ā]Henry is starting because heās leaps and bounds better than both Green and Briscoe.
You can argue all day that Briscoe is better than Green, but arguing heās better than Henry is just stupid.[/quote]
As I said before show me the numbers that predict this great deal of separation in production or talent that you speak of.
If you cant do that then your opinion is no more delusional or stupid than mine. ;)[/quote]
Henry is shooting a better fg%, 3pt%, gets more rebounds, steals, and assists than Briscoe. Heās a bigger body, and without question a better defender. I cant imagine a valid argument anyone would have with starting Briscoe over Henry.
Its amazing how you are single handedly pushing niner fans to almost argue againt Briscoe. Just stop it. Look, Briscoe is providing 16 minutes of valuable time a game. Heās a great spark plug off the bench and his value to the team is obvious. We all like him, and want to see him to perform well. Your incessant harping on his poor lot in life is driving everyone crazy, and it certainly isnt doing him any favors either.[/quote]
I agree with Casstommy. Both players are valuable in their own right and I support them both. Go Niners!
[quote=ācasstommy, post:82, topic:26028ā][quote=āsokool, post:78, topic:26028ā][quote=āeason49, post:77, topic:26028ā]Henry is starting because heās leaps and bounds better than both Green and Briscoe.
You can argue all day that Briscoe is better than Green, but arguing heās better than Henry is just stupid.[/quote]
As I said before show me the numbers that predict this great deal of separation in production or talent that you speak of.
If you cant do that then your opinion is no more delusional or stupid than mine. ;)[/quote]
Henry is shooting a better fg%, 3pt%, gets more rebounds, steals, and assists than Briscoe. Heās a bigger body, and without question a better defender. I cant imagine a valid argument anyone would have with starting Briscoe over Henry.
Its amazing how you are single handedly pushing niner fans to almost argue againt Briscoe. Just stop it. Look, Briscoe is providing 16 minutes of valuable time a game. Heās a great spark plug off the bench and his value to the team is obvious. We all like him, and want to see him to perform well. Your incessant harping on his poor lot in life is driving everyone crazy, and it certainly isnt doing him any favors either. [/quote]
Dude itās a message boardā¦ who cares what I say or think and who cares what you think or what anyone else on here thinks or says.
If you or anyone else is shallow enough to base your opinion of Briscoe or any other player or coach on what I say, then its obvious your drowning in your own insecurity.
PTI, AROUND THE HORN, NNN ā¦ purely entertainment for sports fans dude.
DONT YOU GET IT ?
If you canāt see the difference Henry makes on the court compared to any of our other guards than I donāt know what to tell you. Sports are more than just statistics.
[quote=āsokool, post:85, topic:26028ā]Therefore it is my conclusion that Majorās decision not to play Derrio and Deuce together is solely based on Majorās disturbing SIZE FETISH. (See Lukaās 16min per game avg :o )
Henry is a defensive gem but has nowhere near the offensive skills as Deuce and Derrio. Defensive stoppers can come of the bench too.
Again Henry shoots 60% from the foul line how is that an asset from the PG position.[/quote]Let me see if I understand the argument correctly. Though Henry is playing better right now than either of the other two, clearly better defensively and arguably better on offense (see FG%, 3P%, A/T, rebounding, steals, general passing ability, fewer turnovers per minute played, etc.), he hasnāt done it against good competition, whereas the others did so last season, so Major should be playing the other 2 more (and particularly playing Briscoe more) in spite of the fact they arenāt playing as well this season. Oh, and Henry doesnāt shoot well from the foul line. This is clear evidence that Major irrationally plays bigger players more and not that he favors current production.
Is that your argument?
I do see the difference 2002 defensively. I think he deserves to start and play 25+. I just dont see him playing at a level that hasnāt been achieved by the upperclassmen.
But i also think Majorās reluctance to rotate Henry,Briscoe and Green between the 1,2, guard spots is totally assinine and will cost us victories.
However I dont see the difference LUKA makes.
I do see the difference 2002 defensively. I think he deserves to start and play 25+. I just dont see him playing at a level that hasnāt been achieved by the upperclassmen.
But i also think Majorās reluctance to rotate Henry,Briscoe and Green between the 1,2, guard spots is totally assinine and will cost us victories.
However I dont see the difference LUKA makes.[/quote]
I donāt think Luka is a bad option. He generally takes good shots and hits his open 3s.
What it comes down to is Henry sets the tone on defense from the tip. Green and Briscoe play a lot of minutes and can do some different things, while Luka can give any of the 3 an extra break.
It is a long season, no reason to play guys 30 plus minutes every game in December.
[quote=ā9erken, post:89, topic:26028ā][quote=āsokool, post:85, topic:26028ā]Therefore it is my conclusion that Majorās decision not to play Derrio and Deuce together is solely based on Majorās disturbing SIZE FETISH. (See Lukaās 16min per game avg :o )
Henry is a defensive gem but has nowhere near the offensive skills as Deuce and Derrio. Defensive stoppers can come of the bench too.
Again Henry shoots 60% from the foul line how is that an asset from the PG position.[/quote]Let me see if I understand the argument correctly. Though Henry is playing better right now than either of the other two, clearly better defensively and arguably better on offense (see FG%, 3P%, A/T, rebounding, steals, general passing ability, fewer turnovers per minute played, etc.), he hasnāt done it against good competition, whereas the others did so last season, so Major should be playing the other 2 more (and particularly playing Briscoe more) in spite of the fact they arenāt playing as well this season. Oh, and Henry doesnāt shoot well from the foul line. This is clear evidence that Major irrationally plays bigger players more and not that he favors current production.
Is that your argument?[/quote]
Argument is ā¦ that Henry has proven to be a valuable asset to the backcourt rotation. He is worthy of starter min.
Henry has not however separated himself to the point where I would say that given the same number of min Deuce and Derrio could not produce 7ppg, 3ast and 6 wins against the level of competition we have played.
Argument is ā¦ Major is force feeding Luka 16 min a game that can be better served playing DERRIO, DEUCE, T.WILL, purely due to lack of coaching ability, favoritism and his SIZE FETISH.
if he has a size fetish, i dont think that will stop him from playing williams who is 6ā4". i would like to see williams get some of derrios minutes.
Sure Jessica Alba has a nice face, but Iād take Salma Hayek any day.
We should start Salma at SG. She would be a defensive stopper with her incredible talents.
agree 55 ā¦ if the guard rotation is 4ā¦ I go with HENRY, DEUCE, DERRIO, T.WILL and split the 80 min between whomever is playing the best.
I do see the difference 2002 defensively. I think he deserves to start and play 25+. I just dont see him playing at a level that hasnāt been achieved by the upperclassmen.
But i also think Majorās reluctance to rotate Henry,Briscoe and Green between the 1,2, guard spots is totally assinine and will cost us victories.
However I dont see the difference LUKA makes.[/quote]
I donāt think Luka is a bad option. He generally takes good shots and hits his open 3s.
What it comes down to is Henry sets the tone on defense from the tip. Green and Briscoe play a lot of minutes and can do some different things, while Luka can give any of the 3 an extra break.
It is a long season, no reason to play guys 30 plus minutes every game in December.[/quote]
agree here , but Luka doesānt just give breaks Major is playing him 15.6 min and Deuce 15.8 min.
Henry, Deuce and Derrio have all made a significant difference and in Henry and Deuceās case they have been pivotal in winning a number of games for us.
How can anyone justify Luka playing as much as any one of those three.
Clearly Major playing favoritism.
I actually think most here have valid points re: who should be getting the minutes at the 1 and 2. My own opinion is formed mostly by the eyetest of what iāve seen over this year for all of the guards and prior years for Derrio and Deuceā¦
I think Henry should be starting and get the most minutes.While stats alone might not justify this,my eyes tell me that we are best when he is out there on the floor.As to the other 3ā¦iāve seen nothing that convinces me that Luka should be getting more than 10 minutes(max) a game as a refresher sub.Whoever said previously that his 3 pt. shooting is pretty good,I havenāt seen that.He is pretty slowfooted and cannot penetrate or shoot particularly well,and is no demon on defense.
The Deuce vs. Derrio arguement is the most difficult.My purely personal take based on the eyetest is that we are better with Deuce out thereā¦I think Derrio takes much worse shots by and large and plays with a lower basketball IQā¦ThOugh of course I cannot quantify that.I think our offense moves better with Deuce rather than Derrio and he is better at driving the lane.I do think that part of Major starting Derrio over Deuce is a height issue,but have no arguement with them playing equal minutes unless 1 distances himself in games. I do think itās not a coincidence that we have clearly played better since that spell when Major was playing Deuce only a few minutes a game.
if we go with a four guard lineup i like henry, williams, mayfield, nickerson. it would be really hard for teams stop dribble penetration with that lineup in there. insert maybe deuce for nickerson or mayfield.
Henry is head and shoulders above these guys as far as impact on the game. His energy on the defensive end is something we havenāt had in ages.
Truthfully I wouldnāt play Green much unless heās on fire. Letās get the newbieās some experience for the future, thatās reason to play Luka, heās beginning to grow on me.
The only time I want to see Briscoe and Green together are on Law and Order rerunsā¦