i think we are being to hard on luka. i dont think he is great but he is a freshman and his defense is better than he is getting credit for. i dont think he should be playing as much as deuce but i see him being a solid backup during his career here.
lol. OK. Iâm not sure that even made sense but whatever.
My point is, I really like Briscoe and think he will thrive in this role, and I hate seeing people have to point out his flaws in order to get you to understand the game of basketball.
[quote=âhootie, post:100, topic:26028â]Henry is head and shoulders above these guys as far as impact on the game. His energy on the defensive end is something we havenât had in ages.
Truthfully I wouldnât play Green much unless heâs on fire. Letâs get the newbieâs some experience for the future, thatâs reason to play Luka, heâs beginning to grow on me.
The only time I want to see Briscoe and Green together are on Law and Order rerunsâŚ[/quote]
Lol! That one deserves more accolades. Well done.
[quote=âsokool, post:92, topic:26028â]Argument is ⌠that Henry has proven to be a valuable asset to the backcourt rotation. He is worthy of starter min.
Henry has not however separated himself to the point where I would say that given the same number of min Deuce and Derrio could not produce 7ppg, 3ast and 6 wins against the level of competition we have played.
Argument is ⌠Major is force feeding Luka 16 min a game that can be better served playing DERRIO, DEUCE, T.WILL, purely due to lack of coaching ability, favoritism and his SIZE FETISH.[/quote]They havenât so far this year. Letâs hope both Green and Briscoe get back to that level.
As I said above, I think Voncina is the backup pg. Major doesnât like playing Green and Briscoe at pg, and I donât think Williams skill set fits that position (yet). Iâm not sure about that decision, they might do better than Voncina in a backup role, but I think Major is avoiding putting more pg responsibilities on Green and Briscoe, hoping theyâll start to fill it up more when freed up to score and it will help them avoid turnovers with less pressure on them. Green is probably the guy that would slide over to pg if Voncina plays less (or else Henry will get more minutes).
[quote=âNormmm, post:44, topic:26028â][quote=âsokool, post:39, topic:26028â]P. Henry is proving he deserves the bulk of the minutes at the PG spot.I would like to see what Briscoe, Green could do together especially when Henry is in early foul trouble or needs a rest.
Major has yet to experiment with that combination as force feeding of Luka has created a 4 guard rotation. Which in my opinion takes two of your better and most explosive guards off the floor for 15 to 16 min. This could be costly against upper level competition.[/quote]
I think itâs already slowly happening.
Check out the minutes avg chart on the right hand side of the page.
Voncina
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/north-carolina-charlotte/luka-voncina
Briscoe
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/north-carolina-charlotte/jamar-briscoe
Green
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/north-carolina-charlotte/derrio-green[/quote]
Sokool, Did you check this out? Itâs already happening. Henry, Voncina and Greenâs minutes are all going down. While Briscoeâs are going up. Let it play out before trying to set a rift amongst the team.
lol. OK. Iâm not sure that even made sense but whatever.
My point is, I really like Briscoe and think he will thrive in this role, and I hate seeing people have to point out his flaws in order to get you to understand the game of basketball.[/quote]
My point is, who cares what I or anyone else says on NNN.
Its purely inconsequential fun. Anyone who reads anything more or forms any kind of opinion on other fans, coaches, or players based on the dialogue here is simply FOOLISH. 
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ;D
Relying on fellow fans who many have never even played or coached basketball on a level any higher than middle school to gain an understanding of the game of basketball.
NOW THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL ;D
[quote=âsokool, post:92, topic:26028â][quote=â9erken, post:89, topic:26028â][quote=âsokool, post:85, topic:26028â]Therefore it is my conclusion that Majorâs decision not to play Derrio and Deuce together is solely based on Majorâs disturbing SIZE FETISH. (See Lukaâs 16min per game avg :o )
Henry is a defensive gem but has nowhere near the offensive skills as Deuce and Derrio. Defensive stoppers can come of the bench too.
Again Henry shoots 60% from the foul line how is that an asset from the PG position.[/quote]Let me see if I understand the argument correctly. Though Henry is playing better right now than either of the other two, clearly better defensively and arguably better on offense (see FG%, 3P%, A/T, rebounding, steals, general passing ability, fewer turnovers per minute played, etc.), he hasnât done it against good competition, whereas the others did so last season, so Major should be playing the other 2 more (and particularly playing Briscoe more) in spite of the fact they arenât playing as well this season. Oh, and Henry doesnât shoot well from the foul line. This is clear evidence that Major irrationally plays bigger players more and not that he favors current production.
Is that your argument?[/quote]
Argument is ⌠that Henry has proven to be a valuable asset to the backcourt rotation. He is worthy of starter min.
Henry has not however separated himself to the point where I would say that given the same number of min Deuce and Derrio could not produce 7ppg, 3ast and 6 wins against the level of competition we have played.
Argument is ⌠Major is force feeding Luka 16 min a game that can be better served playing DERRIO, DEUCE, T.WILL, purely due to lack of coaching ability, favoritism and his SIZE FETISH.[/quote]
So because you disagree with the coaches back court rotation it is a lack of coaching ability?
What teams have you coached?
Relying on fellow fans who many have never even played or coached basketball on a level any higher than middle school to gain an understanding of the game of basketball.
I can think of someone else who uses the same style of argument. If you canât make your case without ad hominem attacks then youâre #losing.
Agree mostly with this. I think he is playing 15 mins a game so Henry only has to play 25. We need a true PG out there and to Briscoe or Green debate, neither of them is a true PG. Each of them look for thier shot. They are SGâs. Its what they do.
However I do think Briscoe should get more mins than Green. I am just not seeing anything out of Green that makes me believe he should play more than 15 mins a game. Would like to break down:
Briscoe 20mins
Green 10mins
T Will-10mins (I think T-Will has earned it)
I believe that the rotation is still not coming together. With the intensity Henry plays with there are going to be games where he gets in foul troubleâŚprobably a lot of games depending on the officials. It is good to get everyone else minutes to see who thrives in what situation. It is still earlyâŚjust let it play out.
[quote=âCharlotte2002, post:107, topic:26028â][quote=âsokool, post:92, topic:26028â][quote=â9erken, post:89, topic:26028â][quote=âsokool, post:85, topic:26028â]Therefore it is my conclusion that Majorâs decision not to play Derrio and Deuce together is solely based on Majorâs disturbing SIZE FETISH. (See Lukaâs 16min per game avg :o )
Henry is a defensive gem but has nowhere near the offensive skills as Deuce and Derrio. Defensive stoppers can come of the bench too.
Again Henry shoots 60% from the foul line how is that an asset from the PG position.[/quote]Let me see if I understand the argument correctly. Though Henry is playing better right now than either of the other two, clearly better defensively and arguably better on offense (see FG%, 3P%, A/T, rebounding, steals, general passing ability, fewer turnovers per minute played, etc.), he hasnât done it against good competition, whereas the others did so last season, so Major should be playing the other 2 more (and particularly playing Briscoe more) in spite of the fact they arenât playing as well this season. Oh, and Henry doesnât shoot well from the foul line. This is clear evidence that Major irrationally plays bigger players more and not that he favors current production.
Is that your argument?[/quote]
Argument is ⌠that Henry has proven to be a valuable asset to the backcourt rotation. He is worthy of starter min.
Henry has not however separated himself to the point where I would say that given the same number of min Deuce and Derrio could not produce 7ppg, 3ast and 6 wins against the level of competition we have played.
Argument is ⌠Major is force feeding Luka 16 min a game that can be better served playing DERRIO, DEUCE, T.WILL, purely due to lack of coaching ability, favoritism and his SIZE FETISH.[/quote]
So because you disagree with the coaches back court rotation it is a lack of coaching ability?
What teams have you coached?[/quote]
Many ⌠any coach when evaluated at the end of season who loses 20 games out of 30, IMO has demonstrated a lack of coaching ability.
Major has another season to prove he can put a product on the floor that can demonstrate he has coaching skills credible enough to win more games than he loses.
Until that happens he is a losing coach. PERIOD
You should go to google. Type in some random hall of fame head coaches. Take a look at their records early in their career. Then grab a beer and sit the next few plays out.
[quote=âsokool, post:111, topic:26028â][quote=âCharlotte2002, post:107, topic:26028â][quote=âsokool, post:92, topic:26028â][quote=â9erken, post:89, topic:26028â][quote=âsokool, post:85, topic:26028â]Therefore it is my conclusion that Majorâs decision not to play Derrio and Deuce together is solely based on Majorâs disturbing SIZE FETISH. (See Lukaâs 16min per game avg :o )
Henry is a defensive gem but has nowhere near the offensive skills as Deuce and Derrio. Defensive stoppers can come of the bench too.
Again Henry shoots 60% from the foul line how is that an asset from the PG position.[/quote]Let me see if I understand the argument correctly. Though Henry is playing better right now than either of the other two, clearly better defensively and arguably better on offense (see FG%, 3P%, A/T, rebounding, steals, general passing ability, fewer turnovers per minute played, etc.), he hasnât done it against good competition, whereas the others did so last season, so Major should be playing the other 2 more (and particularly playing Briscoe more) in spite of the fact they arenât playing as well this season. Oh, and Henry doesnât shoot well from the foul line. This is clear evidence that Major irrationally plays bigger players more and not that he favors current production.
Is that your argument?[/quote]
Argument is ⌠that Henry has proven to be a valuable asset to the backcourt rotation. He is worthy of starter min.
Henry has not however separated himself to the point where I would say that given the same number of min Deuce and Derrio could not produce 7ppg, 3ast and 6 wins against the level of competition we have played.
Argument is ⌠Major is force feeding Luka 16 min a game that can be better served playing DERRIO, DEUCE, T.WILL, purely due to lack of coaching ability, favoritism and his SIZE FETISH.[/quote]
So because you disagree with the coaches back court rotation it is a lack of coaching ability?
What teams have you coached?[/quote]
Many ⌠any coach when evaluated at the end of season who loses 20 games out of 30, IMO has demonstrated a lack of coaching ability.
Major has another season to prove he can put a product on the floor that can demonstrate he has coaching skills credible enough to win more games than he loses.
Until that happens he is a losing coach. PERIOD[/quote]
Man I have no idea who will start next season besides Braz and Henry. I could see all kinds of different lineups. I honestly donât recall the last time the Niners had this kind of depth.
I can see both Deuce and Mayfield starting or I could see them both coming off the bench.
You should go to google. Type in some random hall of fame head coaches. Take a look at their records early in their career. Then grab a beer and sit the next few plays out.[/quote]
John Calipari was 10-18 his first head coaching season at UMass.
Coach K was 11-14 his first season at Army, 10-17, 11-17 during his 2nd and 3rd seasons at Duke.
Ben Howland was 9-17 and 7-19 his first 2 seasons at Northern Arizona.
Jim Calhoun was 9-19 his first season at UConn.
Tom Crean was 6-25 his first season at Indiana.
This is clearly a list of a bunch of terrible coaches.
I hate to bring up the pale blue faries, but a Mr Dean Smith was almost run out of town a couple of times prior to a long term successful streak, if legend is correct. He had a losing record his first year as HC. And, in 1965, he was hung in effigy after losing a game to Wake Forest.
I bet their fanbase wishes they could have run him off when they had a chance.
I believe alloting minutes based on current stats overlooks the long term goalâgetting better. Briscoe and Green are pretty much known quantities and unlikely to change at this point. If our coaching staff does what we hired them to do Henry will get better so starting him is an investment in future performance.
We were a lousy team hoping to become one playing for the NCAAs every year again. To get there we are going to have to continually play underclassmen over upperclassmen as begin to recruit better players. As much as it sucks, the surest sign of our success will be players transferring out during the summer.
You should go to google. Type in some random hall of fame head coaches. Take a look at their records early in their career. Then grab a beer and sit the next few plays out.[/quote]
John Calipari was 10-18 his first head coaching season at UMass.
Coach K was 11-14 his first season at Army, 10-17, 11-17 during his 2nd and 3rd seasons at Duke.
Ben Howland was 9-17 and 7-19 his first 2 seasons at Northern Arizona.
Jim Calhoun was 9-19 his first season at UConn.
Tom Crean was 6-25 his first season at Indiana.
This is clearly a list of a bunch of terrible coaches.[/quote]
Im not saying Major wont be a great coach one day. He just might.
Im just saying he is not a great or even good coach right now.
None of the coaches you mentioned on this list were considered good or great coaches until they started winning more games than they loss.
Same goes for MAJOR.
This Deuce, Green, Henry argument needs a little clarity. I agree Briscoe has improved and Green needs to just not shoot. There are a lot of situations on the court that doesnât show up on a stat sheet. You can shoot 35+ % from the 3 which would be acceptable , hit 80% of freethrows, and average double digits but it doesnât overcome poor defense by bad positioning, never able to force your will against your man, letting your man continually get uncontested shots. And yes Iâm talking about Deuce. He plays hard and deserves minutes but a starters minutes? Start paying attention to some of the intangibles that make big differences in games.
You should go to google. Type in some random hall of fame head coaches. Take a look at their records early in their career. Then grab a beer and sit the next few plays out.[/quote]
John Calipari was 10-18 his first head coaching season at UMass.
Coach K was 11-14 his first season at Army, 10-17, 11-17 during his 2nd and 3rd seasons at Duke.
Ben Howland was 9-17 and 7-19 his first 2 seasons at Northern Arizona.
Jim Calhoun was 9-19 his first season at UConn.
Tom Crean was 6-25 his first season at Indiana.
This is clearly a list of a bunch of terrible coaches.[/quote]
Im not saying Major wont be a great coach one day. He just might.
Im just saying he is not a great or even good coach right now.
None of the coaches you mentioned on this list were considered good or great coaches until they started winning more games than they loss.
Same goes for MAJOR.[/quote]
This might be the worst rebuttal to an argument I have ever read.