Starting lineup in 2012/13

Eureka!!! I have figured it out.

sokool referenced PTI, Around the Horn, etc as arguement shows that people like.

He is really channelling his inner Skip Bayless and Briscoe is his Tebow.

For niner fans who actually watch all the games, 95% of people on this board will agree that Henry is better than Briscoe and Green right now. So what if he doesn’t score much, guess what? He doesn’t look to shoot it, because he wants to pass it first, which is what a point guard should be. You don’t think Henry could bump up his ppg to say 10 if he wanted to drive more or take more shots per game?
Dude is a winner, full stop.

Absolutely. If I were in a position where I had to place my bets on one player, based on the way they are playing RIGHT now, and my choice was between those three…well, I’d go with Henry in terms of an overall, well-rounded player. Period.

In NO way is that a personal knock on the other guys. Not at all. It’s just the truth. Henry doesn’t light up the scoreboard every night, but he is to a point now where he is getting some points on the board. However, he is an excellent facilitator with good court vision and decent handles. And without sounding like a broken record, he shines in his defense and off-the-ball play.

Numbers dont lie people do. Major said so himself.

Your position on Deuce’s lack of defensive prowess is totally opinionated, biased and totally lacks merit or substance.

Maybe you should follow Briscoe’s defensive game more closely or read/listen to someone who does.

It would give you a more factual basis to your insight.

Briscoe was/is a much better defender than many on this site give credit for. One of the best defenders on this team based on fact not bias.

http://www.midmajormadness.com/2011/6/7/2209468/2011-12-college-basketball-preview-series-charlotte-49ers

Defensively Charlotte struggled last season, ranking near the bottom of the conference in almost every metric save for three-point shooting against. From a points per possession allowed metric Briscoe and Braswell are the team’s top returning defenders, each holding opponents to less than 33% shooting and forcing turnovers more than 14% of the time. This team will unquestionably need to do a better job defending the rim though as the 49ers allowed opponents to shoot nearly 50% at the basket, a mark that put them in the bottom one-fourth nationally (injuries factored into this).

I am so glad that you are sticking to your points because you have given all of us something to go back and forth with until the next game. That being said you are pulling stuff up from before a single game was played this year. I agree with you in that before the season Deuce had better stats than a freshman who hasn’t played. Now go to ESPN (Here’s the link http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2429/charlotte-49ers), and tell us why you feel Deuce should be starting based on what he did this year. What you did last year doesn’t mean squat when it comes to sports. If it did we might as well stop watching the games.

Dear sokool, I’m 60years old, played HS and college basketball, and still in good shape, so when I say even I can get my shot off against Briscoe, it’s a statement of his ineptness defensively. And yes, I make it a point to follow individuals no matter where the ball and action is taking place for extended times. Spacing, movement without the ball, anticipation of passes, ect. can’t be judged by just following the ball alone.
Thank your lucky stars Henry came here because if Briscoe was allowed to play 30+ minutes, we would only be slightly better than last year. If he plays 15 to 20 minutes, doesn’t try to force, and lets the game come to him, he will be an asset and help us win games.

I am so glad that you are sticking to your points because you have given all of us something to go back and forth with until the next game. That being said you are pulling stuff up from before a single game was played this year. I agree with you in that before the season Deuce had better stats than a freshman who hasn’t played. Now go to ESPN (Here’s the link http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2429/charlotte-49ers), and tell us why you feel Deuce should be starting based on what he did this year. What you did last year doesn’t mean squat when it comes to sports. If it did we might as well stop watching the games.[/quote]

Good point Dowless but many posters here are clueless to the facts that prove that Briscoe is a very good defender.

Thanks for the link: which this year shows that at Briscoe’s present position which is SHOOTING GUARD.

Briscoe shoots 40% fg, starter 30%… Briscoe shoots 72% ft, starter 66%… Briscoe shoots 29% ft, starter 27% … Briscoe avg 7ppg in 15 min, starter avg 8ppg in 24 min.

Any rational and unbiased observer or coach can clearly see that Briscoe is performing at much higher and more efficient level than that of the present starting SHOOTING GUARD.

CMON MAN

[quote=“73niner, post:126, topic:26028”] Dear sokool, I’m 60years old, played HS and college basketball, and still in good shape, so when I say even I can get my shot off against Briscoe, it’s a statement of his ineptness defensively. And yes, I make it a point to follow individuals no matter where the ball and action is taking place for extended times. Spacing, movement without the ball, anticipation of passes, ect. can’t be judged by just following the ball alone.
Thank your lucky stars Henry came here because if Briscoe was allowed to play 30+ minutes, we would only be slightly better than last year. If he plays 15 to 20 minutes, doesn’t try to force, and lets the game come to him, he will be an asset and help us win games.[/quote]

Dear 73niner I respect your opinion I really do.

However the fact is you have no basis to it other than what you believe or how well you can still play :wink:

There are publications that watch tape, break down numbers ect who are much more knowledgeable as to Briscoe’s defensive capabilities then you and I.

Those numbers show that Briscoe is a very good defender that holds his opponents to less than 33% shooting per possesion.

No offense to you but I have always chosen to base my analysis of performance on fact rather than what another thinks.

And we might just be slightly better than last year even with Henry at the pg.

There is alot of season left and this team’s play,as well as, Major’s poor roster management/coaching definitely is not at a level that has me confident of a winning season.

Remember we were 18-4 two years ago and lost 7 out of 8 games
8-6 last year and lost 14 of the next 16.

Its not how you start its how you finish.

[quote=“sokool, post:128, topic:26028”][quote=“73niner, post:126, topic:26028”] Dear sokool, I’m 60years old, played HS and college basketball, and still in good shape, so when I say even I can get my shot off against Briscoe, it’s a statement of his ineptness defensively. And yes, I make it a point to follow individuals no matter where the ball and action is taking place for extended times. Spacing, movement without the ball, anticipation of passes, ect. can’t be judged by just following the ball alone.
Thank your lucky stars Henry came here because if Briscoe was allowed to play 30+ minutes, we would only be slightly better than last year. If he plays 15 to 20 minutes, doesn’t try to force, and lets the game come to him, he will be an asset and help us win games.[/quote]

Dear 73niner I respect your opinion I really do.

However the fact is you have no basis to it other than what you believe or how well you can still play :wink:

There are publications that watch tape, break down numbers ect who are much more knowledgeable as to Briscoe’s defensive capabilities then you and I.

Those numbers show that Briscoe is a very good defender that holds his opponents to less than 33% shooting per possesion.

No offense to you but I have always chosen to base my analysis of performance on fact rather than what another thinks.

And we might just be slightly better than last year even with Henry at the pg.

There is alot of season left and this team’s play,as well as, Major’s poor roster management/coaching definitely is not at a level that has me confident of a winning season.

Remember we were 18-4 two years ago and lost 7 out of 8 games
8-6 last year and lost 14 of the next 16.

Its not how you start its how you finish.[/quote]

I guess you rekon that Steve Kerr had a more successful career than Karl Malone or Charles Barkley then yeah? Seeing as Kerr has multiple championship rings and the other two have none. Those are the facts, but everyone know’s right

True story. Hopefully this thread finishes strong too.

When is coach going to put in Michael Gerrity? That kid has been on the bench WAY too long.

True story. Hopefully this thread finishes strong too.[/quote]

Straight to Hell_DrivinNCryin.wmv

See this is where someone doesn’t seem to get it. It is not how you start it is how you finish, although I will argue you have to start strong for a strong finish to even matter.

That being said, the reason I think Major is using the rotations he has so far is to preserve players’ legs for the long haul, that would certainly play into the coach thinking a strong finish is important, don’t you think?

If i’ve read these endless posts correctly…Sokool thinks that Deuce should be starting…or at least playing,more than Derrio.I don’t think that he’s saying that Henry shouldn’t be starting,or playing more.

Sokool…if that’s what you’re saying I absolutely agree with you.If not…i’m lost.

Well, Deuce and Derrio play about the same minutes per game (barring the very beginning of the season when Deuce was playing very poorly) and whoever is having the better game plays the most minutes.

I don’t see where the issue is, because that is the way the game should go. Luka tends to play less than either player. So, our guard rotation goes Henry, Derrio/Deuce, Luka, TWill. I understand that sokool wants Deuce to start, I get it. But to me, it doesn’t matter who starts, it matters who plays the most minutes in the game.

Major wants to create offense from defense. Which of our guards fits that description?

This conversation is tired.

[quote=“Powerbait, post:135, topic:26028”]Well, Deuce and Derrio play about the same minutes per game (barring the very beginning of the season when Deuce was playing very poorly) and whoever is having the better game plays the most minutes.

I don’t see where the issue is, because that is the way the game should go. Luka tends to play less than either player. So, our guard rotation goes Henry, Derrio/Deuce, Luka, TWill. I understand that sokool wants Deuce to start, I get it. But to me, it doesn’t matter who starts, it matters who plays the most minutes in the game.[/quote]

Not saying anyone on our team is like this, but it’s an ego thing. A lot of players would rather start and play 20 minutes a game than come off the bench and play 30.

I understand the players’ desire, I am talking about the debate as fans.

[quote=“lucky57, post:134, topic:26028”]If i’ve read these endless posts correctly…Sokool thinks that Deuce should be starting…or at least playing,more than Derrio.I don’t think that he’s saying that Henry shouldn’t be starting,or playing more.

Sokool…if that’s what you’re saying I absolutely agree with you.If not…i’m lost.[/quote]

Lucky57 you are 100% correct.

This is exactly what I am saying, and have been saying all along. ;D

[quote=“sokool, post:139, topic:26028”][quote=“lucky57, post:134, topic:26028”]If i’ve read these endless posts correctly…Sokool thinks that Deuce should be starting…or at least playing,more than Derrio.I don’t think that he’s saying that Henry shouldn’t be starting,or playing more.

Sokool…if that’s what you’re saying I absolutely agree with you.If not…i’m lost.[/quote]

Lucky57 you are 100% correct.

This is exactly what I am saying, and have been saying all along. ;D[/quote]

lol then what the heck are we arguring about? I’m pretty sure 90% of this board would like to see Deuce start over Derrio.