So what youāre really saying is stick with gasoline, since the infrastructure is already in place and it doesnāt require strip mining? Iām good with that.
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The positive of hydrogen is not having to find all the resources for batteries.
Anyone on the board a fan of mass transit?
mass transit always will be the most efficient method of transporting large numbers of people.
I know this is an EV thread but Iām a fan of mass transit investment (I think most areas of America are way behind the investment curve) to supplement driving.
I would love to take transit to work if I could do it in a reasonable time frame. I could do it today but it would take two hours (due to the above mentioned lack of investment).
It also gets cars off the road making the drive safer and more enjoyable for those that do have to drive or want to just get out and jou ride a bit!
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I mean sure, thatās a short sighted take you can have. Youād make a great boomer.
While all oil isnāt produced this way, Iād definitely consider this to be strip mining.
When I worked downtown, I took an express bus in every day. Loved it. I could read, study, nap, meet new people. Not having to pay attention to brake lights in front of me was also a great reason to let someone else drive
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My bleak opinion is that we never find truly sustainable options and that 200 years from
Now people will live at a lower quality of life than we do.
Mass transit is great and I would absolutely like to see the country fully embrace rail I donāt see mass transit working in many places. The spread out nature of this country just makes it a challenge.
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I really think we need to go nuclear in a larger scale. With the technology we have now we can use the waste until itās almost nothing.
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There will definitely need to be some innovations that are actually practical and put into service because with current tech we have about 80-100 years of nuclear fuel at current consumption rates.
I saw this thread pop up and since Iāve been spending time with family (who have a wide variety of political opinions), I think itās amazing how EV have turned into a political talking point. Liking or disliking EVs seems to put you in one political camp or another for certain members on extreme sides of their ideology.
Arguing on how mature the technology is a very reasonable discussion, but EVs at this scale of investment are around 10 years old. ICEs have 100 years of R&D behind them. EVs as a whole are already far superior to ICEs for realistically 80% of the average consumers use case. Once issues like charging speed and towing range are worked out, itās going to be hard to argue that ICEs are superior to an EV (even if it lacks souls as some lament).
More of a commentary on our culture, but itās sad that a brand new technology which exciting potential which is still in its infancy garners this type of reaction. I for one am happy even with its flaws that investment towards EV is full speed ahead.
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Hey by then we should have Fusion right?
Thatās the truth. When I say Iām not an EV fan I always get well thatās because you lean right. Drives me crazy. I just hate driving them, has nothing to do with my politics. I think they are great cars though and are absolutely the future regardless of what I prefer to drive. Who knows maybe some company out there will make one that I like - more likely we end up with self driving ones where I can just not worry about being the driver.
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Have you driven a Porsche Taycan NWA? (serious question). I know itās not affordable, but I have a sneaking suspicion it would suit you.
I havenāt but Iāve driven several teslas. What I hate is the quiet, I hate the smooth, I hate the lack of feel - I guess I hate the level of refinement, which ironically is what many EV fans love. I feel like Iām sitting in a ride vs being the driver of a machine. Itās all I guess too perfect. Like the car doesnāt need me - and the reality is it doesnāt. All the performance abilities of these cars canāt replace the lack of IMO.
Cranking up a Ferrari and feeling the rumble. Sitting in a V8 and feel the engine torque when you crank it up. Driving a 911 and feeling the motor behind you. Feeling the exhaust howl under my seat. Thatās the stuff that I want.
Without that? Might as well just be a minivan that can drive itself and get my drunk ass home. I donāt care how fast it is.
Thatās exactly what I was referring to in regards to the rare metals. That weāre trading one issue for a new issue. Not so much that gasolina is better than electric.
Agreed. We need more transit is SOME areas but none in others.
It needs to be done on a statistical basis to get the most bang for our buck (moving people to where they want to go).
I think even in a fairly sprawling city like charlotte mass transit can make a huge dent in traffic and a big impact if itās implemented properly (not going to lie, Iām glad we have light rail but itās just too slow. A bigger investment in heavy rail either tunneled or elevated would be better. I think this country is going to regret some of the investment in LR rather than heavy rail).
Bottom line it has to be a blended solution that gets good bang for our buck. And supports all the myriad of ways people work, shop and play.
I thing the only thing we do know is that absolutes donāt work.
Not everyone can ride transit and we canāt afford transit for everyone.
Not everyone can drive and eventually you cannot build yourself out of gridlock.
It has to make sense. For me I believe the solution is heavier on the side of investment in transit but thatās just me.
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I feel you on this. Thatās why I would vote for more investment dollars for transit.
Letās get emissions under control so that people can responsibly enjoy cars like that and racing. Letās get to a point where Cars and racing and the other things that will always be ICE (or likely to be ICE) donāt have a negative impact that the earth cannot absorb.
BTW I have never had the pleasure of driving a Ferrari but I have driven many Porsche and BMWs on the performance side. As well as a few Z cars.
That was the whole point, people donāt want to change their behavior. Really though I should have added cost to the list. If an EV was 25% less than their comparable ICE counterpart, then people would be more likely to change their bahavior.
According to the Wired article I linked, we (and by we I mean the world) are going away from that rather than going towards it. We like our independence and ownership.