[QUOTE=BobbyLutz;381442]I think there should be excitement for next year, if things go right, we could make the CBI next year (maybe NIT) and hopefully definently the NIT the next year. This program was lucky to make the NCAA tournament has much has it did in the past and historically hasnāt made it there often despite the late 90ās and early 2000-2005. It will take a truely special class to get this program back to the NCAAās and we simply donāt have it right now. But thereās always hope for next year. Those of you expecting us to make the NCAA year in and year out need to adjust your expectations.
Weāre not Duke, UNC, or some other big time program. Weāre Charlotte and we have to hope to get back to making the NCAA tournament once every 4 years, not every year. If you set your expectations at that level it will be hard to ever be disappointed in Bobby. Bobby may not be the best coach and sure he may not have the program where it was 4 years ago, but thats not it his fault. Judy Rose and CHP have never truely supported Bobby the way he deserves and because of that weāve seen Bobbyās morale and passion suffer. He finally got past that last year and barring injuries this year we should have been headed back to the NIT, possibly NCAA if we had two strong 3 point shooters. My point is people have to get over where the program was 4 years ago, itās not going to go back to that, weāre not in that type of a conference to generate that type of excitement. We donāt have the players anymore coming here to play in the A-10, sorry, but we donāt. What we do have is guys who will fight hard every day to win and hopefully weāll see the NCAA tournament, by 2011-2012 if everyone comes here thatās suppost to and lives up to their expectations.[/QUOTE]
And this sports fans- is accepting mediocrity. It may be okay with some BUT NOT ME.
I think there should be excitement for next year, if things go right, we could make the CBI next year (maybe NIT) and hopefully definently the NIT the next year.
The NIT in 2 years? You have low expectations. Not this year, but the next two years itās NCAAs or bust.
And this sports fans- is accepting mediocrity. It may be okay with some BUT NOT ME.
Skip the read- itās a load of crap.
What was worse was in another thread stating that Bobby only getting to the 2nd round was ok, since we have not made the Sweet 16 since 1977, so what should we expectā¦
[QUOTE=punkrockcowboy;381459]The NIT in 2 years? You have low expectations. Not this year, but the next two years itās NCAAs or bust.[/QUOTE]
Low expectations? Those are goals that we can make. What conference do you think we play in? We arenāt in the ACC or the Big East. Weāre in the A-10 and we have to fight to be the best we can be there. Weāre not going to be a program that makes the NCAA most years but if we can get a class together, weāre a program that will certainly be competitive and every four years should be able to the make the NCAA tournament. What more do you want from Bobby?
Low expectations? Those are goals that we can make. What conference do you think we play in? We aren't in the ACC or the Big East. We're in the A-10 and we have to fight to be the best we can be there. We're not going to be a program that makes the NCAA most years but if we can get a class together, we're a program that will certainly be competitive and every four years should be able to the make the NCAA tournament. What more do you want from Bobby?
Low expectations? Those are goals that we can make. What conference do you think we play in? We aren't in the ACC or the Big East. We're in the A-10 and we have to fight to be the best we can be there. We're not going to be a program that makes the NCAA most years but if we can get a class together, we're a program that will certainly be competitive and every four years should be able to the make the NCAA tournament. What more do you want from Bobby?
We should not just have goals that we can make but ones that improve the program. Granted, going to the NIT in 2 years would be an improvement over what we are doing this year, but with returning players and new talent I still see that as underachieving and thus too low of a goal. Between 1992 and 2005 we went to the NCAA Tournament 9 times, thatās āmost years.ā To get back to the dance, thatās what I want from Bobby.
[QUOTE=BobbyLutz;381462]Low expectations? Those are goals that we can make. What conference do you think we play in? We arenāt in the ACC or the Big East. Weāre in the A-10 and we have to fight to be the best we can be there. Weāre not going to be a program that makes the NCAA most years but if we can get a class together, weāre a program that will certainly be competitive and every four years should be able to the make the NCAA tournament. What more do you want from Bobby?[/QUOTE]
OK- I get it youāre kidding. My sarcasm meter needs to be adjusted after the year weāre having.
What planet do you live on? They must have some incredible drugs there.
Itās weird. You guys seem to be supporting them more than their own fan base has. Most tar hole fans I know cringed when Thomas came in the game and thought he was garbage. Many Duke fans will admit that they expected more out of McRoberts. Like I previously mentioned, McRoberts was projected to possibly be the #1 over all pick but ended up going in the second round. So apparently whatever planet Iām on Iām not the only one.
You really think the fans of the school I mentioned think that every player has improved, every season? Thatās absurd.
He's attempted just 66 FGs all year, so not really a telling stat. If you want to mention that you might as well mention how his FT shooting went from 29% to 83% in one year. But hey, we're talking about freaking bench players. Of course, every program has those that don't pan out, but you look at those coaches who are proven winners and every year they have guys that step up and take over.
Wait. We canāt discuss bench players? Those are the guys who have possibly under performed. Thatās an unfair debate. If they donāt pan out then that means they didnāt develop. For me the 43% to 33% is a more telling stat than going from 1.6 to 1.8 Assist/TO ratio.
[QUOTE=Charlotte2002;381457]Withers was a 4-star recruit rated anywhere between 15-25 best HS PFs. He was a very good player for us, but he wasnāt much better as a senior as he was a sophomore.[/QUOTE]
Demarco Johnson wasnāt much better as a Senior (21.1 / 9.0) than he was as a Sophomore (18.1 / 8.8), and he was one of the best weāve ever had.
Withers hit the wall because he had bad hands and no Colson. Donāt over analyze.
[QUOTE=hootie;381500]Agree on Withers hands- would also add that he tended to play lazy. He was a beast when he wanted to be.[/QUOTE]
Definitely. That one spin move dunk that made Andy Katzās jaw dropā¦ and a couple of stick backs. The speed and power were amazingā¦ but where was that other times?
Demarco Johnson wasn't much better as a Senior (21.1 / 9.0) than he was as a Sophomore (18.1 / 8.8), and he was one of the best we've ever had.
Withers hit the wall because he had bad hands and no Colson. Donāt over analyze.
I only saw Demarco play his junior and senior season and I am assuming he was a much more dynamic player as a junior and senior than he was as a freshman or sophomore and I donāt think that is much of a stretch to assume.
Stats alone canāt show if a player is much improved, because due to the system, surrounding talent, etc. there can be a cap on someones actual statistical output.
Withers was a 4-star recruit rated anywhere between 15-25 best HS PFs. He was a very good player for us, but he wasn't much better as a senior as he was a sophomore.
He was rated 100-150 overall (AS I STATED) and if you think he was no better his junior/senior years than he was as a Soph, then I wonder how closely you were watching back thenā¦:huh:
James Johnson's numbers are about the same as last year...but I wouldn't say he hasn't improved.
I tend to agree with this. But why do we view Withers differently?
Smith's TO's per game have droped by 1 each year...I would say that is improvement.
I believe his ratio increased by a tenth, not by a full assist. If heās averaging 3.5 assists per game with a 1.8 assist/TO ratio. Then heād average around 3.2 assists per game with his freshman 1.66 assist/TO ratio.
He was rated 100-150 overall (AS I STATED) and if you think he was no better his junior/senior years than he was as a Soph, then I wonder how closely you were watching back then........:huh:
He was a top 100 player. Probably 75-100. I saw enough back then because that was when we actually played on TV and his game hardly evolved into what he could have been. His hands were always his down fall, but there is more to the game than just his hands. He never refined his post moves and his long range jumper was similar as a fr./so. as it was his jr./sr. year.
There was serious talk of him becoming an NBA player and where exactly is he playing now? Or do you believe in the whole conspiracy theory against Charlotte 49ers actually being allowed to play in the NBA.
[QUOTE=Charlotte2002;381502]I only saw Demarco play his junior and senior season and I am assuming he was a much more dynamic player as a junior and senior than he was as a freshman or sophomore and I donāt think that is much of a stretch to assume.[/QUOTE]
Well, no offense man, but youāre wrong. I was here all 4 years he was and the numbers donāt lie. DJ toiled behind Jarvis one year and then arrived.
FR - 8.6 / 4.6
SO - 18.1 / 8.8
JR - 18.8 / 8.5
SR - 21.8 / 9.0
He had a really nice senior campaign due primarily to him and Colson really gelling (and having KP at the 5). But he was really the same player after his freshman season. Withers was similar.
Well, no offense man, but you're wrong. I was here all 4 years he was and the numbers don't lie. DJ toiled behind Jarvis one year and then arrived.
FR - 8.6 / 4.6
SO - 18.1 / 8.8
JR - 18.8 / 8.5
SR - 21.8 / 9.0
He had a really nice senior campaign due primarily to him and Colson really gelling (and having KP at the 5). But he was really the same player after his freshman season. Withers was similar.
If you are that good by your sophomore year, how much better can someone actually get without declaring for the draft?
My point with Withers is that he never raised his game to the level many expected.
He had the strength and athleticism that if Demarco had, he would have been David West like in the NBA.
Withers could have been the 2nd most dynamic player in Lutz tenure and instead he was used as an offensive rebounderā¦perhaps that stunted his growth as a player.