FWIW, this was the 9th game X has played since getting ALL the players back from suspension. And only Wells was suspended for 4 games (Iâm not counting the bench-warmer walk-on who received the same punishment). Holloway sat for 1, while Lyons sat out 2.
Mack was referring to their OT loss to Hawaii in the Diamond Head Classic back in November. It was part of the 5 losses in 6 games following the Brawl.
Major is recruiting different guys. You wonât get a Goldwire, Plav, Barnett type players with the way Major is recruiting. He is wanting to play a different type of game, we wonât get these types of pure shooters and they wonât want to come here with Majorâs offensive system.
I guess we have to see what happens next year when major gets a majority of his guys in here. Iâm just not convinced the guy is a good game day coach. Hopefully heâll prove me wrong and win some games next year purely on coaching and situational use of players.
The offense, literally, can not get much worse.
I think Major is running out of fans.
[quote=âsokool, post:57, topic:26281â]You keep saying Henry is this or Henry is that. Wake up dude
HENRY DOES NOT WIN. BRISCOE DOES NOT WIN.
So WTF is the difference.
They both have different skill sets but until one can lead us to win more than we lose then one is no better than the other.[/quote]
the difference is that henry gives us a better chance of winning and has been responsible for us winning games like at st josephs. with a better team around him, i have no doubt that henry will win.
There really is no debate to be had as to who between Deuce and Henry gives us the best chance to win. Deuce is a liability on defense because of his size and, in two straight games as a starter, has given us next to nothing. Henry is a terrific defender who gives us a spark and runs the offense much better.
This team is far better with PH running the point than with Deuce. That canât be debated at all.
[quote=âninerfan55, post:64, topic:26281â][quote=âsokool, post:57, topic:26281â]You keep saying Henry is this or Henry is that. Wake up dude
HENRY DOES NOT WIN. BRISCOE DOES NOT WIN.
So WTF is the difference.
They both have different skill sets but until one can lead us to win more than we lose then one is no better than the other.[/quote]
the difference is that henry gives us a better chance of winning and has been responsible for us winning games like at st josephs. with a better team around him, i have no doubt that henry will win.[/quote]
Briscoe also has been responsible for us winning games like at East Carolina and St Joesphs.
The two have also played a great role in us losing games also like Briscoe vs Temple and Henry vs STL.
Good/Great PGâs are like Coaches they dont have to have the better team to win because they can make their players better.
Neither Henry, Briscoe, or Major have shown the ability this year to make their teams better thus we lose and lose and lose some more.
WTF IS THE DIFFERENCE?
[quote=âsokool, post:66, topic:26281â]WTF IS THE DIFFERENCE?[/quote]When our coaches are recruiting better players and tell them that they can earn starting roles their freshman year, Henry proves it.
The difference is Henry is a freshman and is outplaying the junior Deuce.
PH averages more points, has 3 times as many assists, 3 times as many steals 21 more rebounds.
He is outplaying Deuce, the junior, in every statistical category as a freshmen. We have Deuce one more year, we have Henry 3 more. Thatâs the difference.
PH is a better player then Deuce on this team. So he gets the minutes. Itâs not that difficult a concept.
[quote=âsokool, post:66, topic:26281â][quote=âninerfan55, post:64, topic:26281â][quote=âsokool, post:57, topic:26281â]You keep saying Henry is this or Henry is that. Wake up dude
HENRY DOES NOT WIN. BRISCOE DOES NOT WIN.
So WTF is the difference.
They both have different skill sets but until one can lead us to win more than we lose then one is no better than the other.[/quote]
the difference is that henry gives us a better chance of winning and has been responsible for us winning games like at st josephs. with a better team around him, i have no doubt that henry will win.[/quote]
Briscoe also has been responsible for us winning games like at East Carolina and St Joesphs.
The two have also played a great role in us losing games also like Briscoe vs Temple and Henry vs STL.
Good/Great PGâs are like Coaches they dont have to have the better team to win because they can make their players better.
Neither Henry, Briscoe, or Major have shown the ability this year to make their teams better thus we lose and lose and lose some more.
WTF IS THE DIFFERENCE?[/quote]
except that henry does make us better. defensively, forcing turnovers, shot selection, team leadership and heart
[quote=âMKNiner, post:65, topic:26281â]There really is no debate to be had as to who between Deuce and Henry gives us the best chance to win. Deuce is a liability on defense because of his size and, in two straight games as a starter, has given us next to nothing. Henry is a terrific defender who gives us a spark and runs the offense much better.
This team is far better with PH running the point than with Deuce. That canât be debated at all.[/quote]
Henry has been getting torched night in night out since the Miami game. What guard has he held in check? Henry is not a good defender he is a good gambler.
Durand Scott
Antonio Barton
Kendall Anthony
Cedrick Lindsey
Carl Thomas
Chaz Williams
Kwamaine Mithchell
Mike Hall
Tony Taylor
Show me where Henry has held anybody other than Tony Taylor under their avg.
Henry size seems to make him a liability when defending smaller guards.
Being a good gambler makes him better than Deuce. Unless you want to argue that Deuce would have held anyone in check. Cause if he can, he sure has never shown it.
I appreciate your dedication to Deuce. I love the kid and would love to see him do better. But you have absolutely no basis to argue this team is better with Deuce playing over Henry. There is not a shred of evidence to support it. In fact, every ounce of evidence says the opposite is true.
I really have no idea why you continue to try.
[quote=âMKNiner, post:68, topic:26281â]The difference is Henry is a freshman and is outplaying the junior Deuce.
PH averages more points, has 3 times as many assists, 3 times as many steals 21 more rebounds.
He is outplaying Deuce, the junior, in every statistical category as a freshmen. We have Deuce one more year, we have Henry 3 more. Thatâs the difference.
PH is a better player then Deuce on this team. So he gets the minutes. Itâs not that difficult a concept.[/quote]
Losing is not a difficult concept either.
How is henry or anyone else running this team so well when WE ARE HORRIBLE ON OFFENSE.
Yes the difference is he has 3 more years and from what I have seen that only means that we WILL SUCK for 3 more years.
[quote=âsokool, post:72, topic:26281â]Losing is not a difficult concept either.
How is henry or anyone else running this team so well when WE ARE HORRIBLE ON OFFENSE.[/quote]
So just so Iâm clear. You would argue neither Deuce or PH are running our offense well, so the solution is to play Deuce over PH, even though PH individually is outplaying Deuce in every facet of the game? And this makes sense to you?
Yes the difference is he has 3 more years and from what I have seen that only means that we WILL SUCK for 3 more years.
WowâŚjustâŚwow. You are off the deep end bud. Completely.
Being a good gambler makes him better than Deuce. Unless you want to argue that Deuce would have held anyone in check. Cause if he can, he sure has never shown it.
I appreciate your dedication to Deuce. I love the kid and would love to see him do better. But you have absolutely no basis to argue this team is better with Deuce playing over Henry. There is not a shred of evidence to support it. In fact, every ounce of evidence says the opposite is true.
I really have no idea why you continue to try.[/quote]
Have never said that we would be better playing Deuce over Henry.
Have always said that I think the two playing together is our best option.
But you sound completely foolish saying Henry does such a good job running this team when we absolutely SUCK on offense.
You sound foolish saying Henry is a terrific defender when his opponents out play him night after night.
You sound foolish saying anybody on this team is better than avg WHEN WE ARE PLAYING BASEMENT BALL.
[quote=âMKNiner, post:73, topic:26281â][quote=âsokool, post:72, topic:26281â]Losing is not a difficult concept either.
How is henry or anyone else running this team so well when WE ARE HORRIBLE ON OFFENSE.[/quote]
So just so Iâm clear. You would argue neither Deuce or PH are running our offense well, so the solution is to play Deuce over PH, even though PH individually is outplaying Deuce in every facet of the game? And this makes sense to you?
Yes the difference is he has 3 more years and from what I have seen that only means that we WILL SUCK for 3 more years.
WowâŚjustâŚwow. You are off the deep end bud. Completely.[/quote]
Maybe ⌠but iâm not delusional enough to say its sunny outside when its raining cats and dogs. Which is what you seem to do on a regular basis.
We are LOSING ⌠Dude QFT to dress up a garbage can.
So itâs Henryâs fault we canât hit layups? Itâs Henryâs fault we shoot piss poor FT %? Itâs Henryâs fault Derrio and Deuce canât find the basket to save their lives? Itâs Henryâs fault Braz is soft down low? No fella, whatâs foolish is you laying all our problems at PHâs feet because of your clear bias against him.
You sound foolish saying Henry is a terrific defender when his opponents out play him night after night.
Pretty much a matter of your opinion, which is about as biased as it comes.
You really need to get a grip on reality.
[quote=âsokool, post:72, topic:26281â][quote=âMKNiner, post:68, topic:26281â]The difference is Henry is a freshman and is outplaying the junior Deuce.
PH averages more points, has 3 times as many assists, 3 times as many steals 21 more rebounds.
He is outplaying Deuce, the junior, in every statistical category as a freshmen. We have Deuce one more year, we have Henry 3 more. Thatâs the difference.
PH is a better player then Deuce on this team. So he gets the minutes. Itâs not that difficult a concept.[/quote]
Losing is not a difficult concept either.
How is henry or anyone else running this team so well when WE ARE HORRIBLE ON OFFENSE.
Yes the difference is he has 3 more years and from what I have seen that only means that we WILL SUCK for 3 more years.[/quote]Sokool, someone else has said it before but you always frame your argument so that anyone that disagrees with you ends up negative about Briscoe, which is unfortunate because I think most of us appreciate his skills and efforts. I guarantee you there are nine players on our team who have friends and family that believe they should start and/or get more minutes. Too bad they cannot all get that. We have four coaches who have mortgages, children, car payments, etc, and they play who they think will make our team most successful so they can keep getting paid to do this. If Deuce was that guy he would get more minutes. Funny enough, last year he did because he represented their best option.
I am curious if you are a Niner fan or a Briscoe fan? Both are certainly welcome, but will you be here once he isnât?
Yes. Me pointing out the fact that PH is better in every statistical category than Deuce and saying he gives us a better chance to win obviously translates to there are absolutely no issues with this team.
We are LOSING ... Dude QFT to dress up a garbage can.
Yes, we are losing. We need to improve. Iâve not said any different. Iâm not trying to dress up our woes. I was please to see us play X hard after the drubbing we took from Temple. This team has heart.
Iâm not dressing anything up. Iâm also not acting like the world is ending and we should all jump ship. If you want to fine. But I donât believe in writing this team off until after the final whistle of the final game we play this season. And just because you have some unhealthy sycophantic obsession with Deuce you canât seem to let anyone think that way.
You need to get a grip.
Itâs really not the players, the system is brutal. Majorâs offense has been brutal and isnât getting better. I would bet with an offensive minded coach this team could be 150 range in ranking in the NCAA no problem instead of this 302nd ranked BS.
I would agree, Major is losing faith with fans with his John Fox style offense. But like everyone else points out, I guess we give him one more year and hope we arenât in the same crap again next year.
So itâs Henryâs fault we canât hit layups? Itâs Henryâs fault we shoot piss poor FT %? Itâs Henryâs fault Derrio and Deuce canât find the basket to save their lives? Itâs Henryâs fault Braz is soft down low? No fella, whatâs foolish is you laying all our problems at PHâs feet because of your clear bias against him.
You sound foolish saying Henry is a terrific defender when his opponents out play him night after night.
Pretty much a matter of your opinion, which is about as biased as it comes.
You really need to get a grip on reality.[/quote]
It seems that I am one of the few here that does have a grip on reality ⌠REALITY we are a very bad basketball team⌠REALITY no one on this team (Briscoe/Henry included) is playing very good thus far.
It is no more Henryâs fault that we are losing as it is Briscoeâs. This is a Team game and wins an losses are a result of a collective performance.
To say this team looses better with one player running the show compared to another sounds completely absurd.
You and others here exhibit a sense of eternal optimism coupled with eternal excuses which is to be respected but it is definitely not accepted by all.
Now can you respect that?