[quote=āNinerAdvocate, post:99, topic:26281ā][quote=āsportsman1417, post:93, topic:26281ā]How is it the coaches fault that the team canāt shoot? Earlier in the season we lost a couple games and EVERYONE on here was saying we had our wide open shots we just could not knock them down. It is the coaches job to get the players into the position to have an easy or open shot. They are not the one shooting the ball.
How many free throws have we missed, dunks, wide open lay-ups, fast breaks that turn into turnovers, wide open shots, mildly contested shots. The coach has nothing to do with any of that. His job is to have plays that get players into good/great position to score or pass to an open guy. When our guys have crisp passing and stay with the plan we score 70 against a good Xavier team. When they play street ball and-1 style we donāt score our first bucket until 10 minutes into the first half.
To me the not scoring and being so pathetic on offense is both a coaching and player problem. I just think it falls more on the players.[/quote]
I see players missing open shots every single game.
We should run more double baseline screens to get a 3pt shot in the corner with our shooter falling into the bench. Thatās better offense. Maybe we can run ZIPPER 30 times per game.
Our half court offense demands complete players at every position, and we do not have them. Thatās the only criticism I have.[/quote]
A lot of people criticized Lutz for this, so itās just as fair to criticize Major for it: Adjust to your personnel.
If you look at the numbers the same amount of our shots have been from 3 with lutz and major. This is a break down of 3 pointers attempted to total number of field goals attempted.
07-08: 786/1936 = 40.6
08-09: 707/1832 = 38.6
09-10: 646/1807 = 35.75
10-11: 606/1629 = 37.2
11-12: 417/1130 = 36.9
āNothing has really changed. We are shooting just as many threes as we have been. How do you adjust to the personnel we have? I donāt think any coaching philosophy works with this group of guys. We have three/four career 10-14 points and a bunch of people who score 6 points. No one can shoot consistently so what would you propose?
[quote=āsportsman1417, post:102, topic:26281ā]If you look at the numbers the same amount of our shots have been from 3 with lutz and major. This is a break down of 3 pointers attempted to total number of field goals attempted.
07-08: 786/1936 = 40.6
08-09: 707/1832 = 38.6
09-10: 646/1807 = 35.75
10-11: 606/1629 = 37.2
11-12: 417/1130 = 36.9
āNothing has really changed. We are shooting just as many threes as we have been. How do you adjust to the personnel we have? I donāt think any coaching philosophy works with this group of guys. We have three/four career 10-14 points and a bunch of people who score 6 points. No one can shoot consistently so what would you propose?[/quote]
Do you think we have the 302nd out of 342 worst offensive players in Division 1 basketball?
It is hard for me to put stock into your argument when UMASS is ranked 190th and their record is 16-5. They do all the other things well. They also score about 10 more points than us a game.
We also shoot about 66% from free throw line while averaging around 22 a game. We bring that up to 75% and we are looking at scoring two more points a game which puts us from 193rd to 154th in scoring around the country. We miss half as many wide open dunks and layups each game and we get another two points a game and we are magically up to 116th in scoring offense.
I donāt think the philosophy is the problem like some say.
Itās not all about scoring. You asked me if I thought we had those bad of playersā¦no. Basketball is a team game and when the team is not working together you get a Temple performance. When they areā¦you get a Davidson or Xavier performance. This team with Lutz offense would be performing around the same. Braswell would still probably get his on rebounds and fouls. We would continue to brick a ton of threes.
Sokool, Iām crazy because Iām not on the same page as you loving Briscoe. How can you call someone an efficient scorer that shoots under 40% from the field. You complain about our teams FG%, and he doesnāt help it, at all.
He is shooting 36.4% this year, better than Derrio and E Vic, and thats it. In his two previous years, he shot 39.1% and 39.5%. Trying to call a kid who has never shot 40% or better in his college career an efficient scorer isā¦well, you fill in the gap.
Briscoe can help as a spark guy off the bench. Hopefully, get hot and hit some shots. I think heās determined and can be a confident scorer at times. But, heās def not a point guard, and we are going to struggle more than usual until Henry gets back.
He is shooting 36.4% this year, better than Derrio and E Vic, and thats it. In his two previous years, he shot 39.1% and 39.5%. Trying to call a kid who has never shot 40% or better in his college career an efficient scorer isā¦well, you fill in the gap.
Briscoe can help as a spark guy off the bench. Hopefully, get hot and hit some shots. I think heās determined and can be a confident scorer at times. But, heās def not a point guard, and we are going to struggle more than usual until Henry gets back.[/quote]
You are KIDDING RIGHT :o
Deuce shot 43% fg and 40% 3pt 80% ft avg 12ppg 4reb 3ast 1.5stl over the entire course of A-10 league play last year. Thats effective and efficient production for any player and especially a 1st yr PG in the A-10.
So your analysis of what Briscoe is and can not do is just ā¦well you fill in the gap
This year his shooting is dismal and all numbers are down.
That would tell any knowledgeable fan that the coaching system, playing time, number of shots and his role is more of a factor in his decline than him not having the talent to produce at a very high level.
Players might not get better from year to year but they rarely get worse unless changes are made that hinder their performance.
As for Henry coming back, we will be better from a depth and defensive perspective only.
Our offensive woes and us losing did not start when he got hurt. We had lost 6 out of 8 before he left.
The offense has been āPUTRIDā run by Henry, Briscoe, Mayfield whomever.
I really dislike him playing PG. The offense sputters much harder than usual, and I think it takes away from his ability to make shots. Heās also one of the poorer passers on the team and cannot pass over his defender into the post, like most of our other guards can.
I wouldnāt mind running him off a couple of screens each game to get him an open look from outside. I think itād help his confidence and rhythm.
Compare his stats under a coach that has coached offenses that werent 300+ in FG% and under Alan Major. Major has played a part in his regression.[/quote]
I do agree with this - it is no coincidence that both Derrio and Deuce have regressed in their shooting. I think that has more to do with offensive philosophy than with Majorās ability though.
Compare his stats under a coach that has coached offenses that werent 300+ in FG% and under Alan Major. Major has played a part in his regression.[/quote]
Crazy may be a little to strong an adjective. Lets just say Misguided. ;D
2k I really think you are a good guy and greatly appreciate the job you do keeping us informed on the recruiting front. You are to be commended.
However your ability to evaluate basketball talent is severely challenged not because Briscoe is not your favorite niner as he is mine. Although you spend so much time focusing on his size and limitations that you are completely blind to the great deal of talents he brings to our team.
Briscoe / Xavier ā¦ 4pts, 5rebs,3ast,1stl 1to in 22 min of play. And youāll comment that other than scoring he brings very little to the table :))
You also evaluate Henry, E. Victor , T. Will, Illa and M. Thorne as a very good recruiting class. Well 1 out of 5 recruits having the skill set to play significant minutes is NOT A GOOD RECRUITING CLASS.
You also had the nerve to predict that Victor should be starting if not Day 1 by A-10 play. Now iām sure Lester will be your next poster child of GREAT FRESHMAN SAVIORS.
I hope you have learned your lesson but iām sure you didnāt.
You also promoted siting Briscoe (12ppg returning starter) and Derrio( 12ppg returning starter A10 preseason all conf selection) on the bench in favor of some freshman kids who are not even that good.
In doing so we have put a product on the floor that is light years worse than what we had. One in which all the defense in the world cant overcome their lack of skill and inexperience offensively.
Now your latest gaffe, is that ILLA a 6ā9 Juco transfer with solid fundamental skills would initially agree to signing with a bottom level team LIKE US, with the predisposition that he would never play only to be used as a practice DUMMY. That is an utterly hilarious statement.
If this was even remotely the case MAJOR SHOULD BE FIRED ON THE SPOTā¦ for even wasting scholarship money on a player with such low self esteem for his basketball abilities.
Stick to your recruiting services you are very good at that.
He is shooting 36.4% this year, better than Derrio and E Vic, and thats it. In his two previous years, he shot 39.1% and 39.5%. Trying to call a kid who has never shot 40% or better in his college career an efficient scorer isā¦well, you fill in the gap.
Briscoe can help as a spark guy off the bench. Hopefully, get hot and hit some shots. I think heās determined and can be a confident scorer at times. But, heās def not a point guard, and we are going to struggle more than usual until Henry gets back.[/quote]
You are KIDDING RIGHT :o
Deuce shot 43% fg and 40% 3pt 80% ft avg 12ppg 4reb 3ast 1.5stl over the entire course of A-10 league play last year. Thats effective and efficient production for any player and especially a 1st yr PG in the A-10.
So your analysis of what Briscoe is and can not do is just ā¦well you fill in the gap
This year his shooting is dismal and all numbers are down.
That would tell any knowledgeable fan that the coaching system, playing time, number of shots and his role is more of a factor in his decline than him not having the talent to produce at a very high level.
Players might not get better from year to year but they rarely get worse unless changes are made that hinder their performance.
As for Henry coming back, we will be better from a depth and defensive perspective only.
Our offensive woes and us losing did not start when he got hurt. We had lost 6 out of 8 before he left.
The offense has been āPUTRIDā run by Henry, Briscoe, Mayfield whomever.
This is a systematic MAJOR failure.[/quote]
He shot below 40% on the year, just like I said, and has never shot better than last year 39.5%. Why you only focus on A10, like we didnāt have other games last year, is just because it fits your agenda.
Those are the facts, click the link all you want. Notice ESPN doesnāt separate just the A10 games, probably because every game counts.
And, no, his shooting %ages being down definitely donāt have to have anything to do with the system. I can quote you a number of our players who shot worse from year to year under the same staff, its ridiculous to make a point like that. Dijuan Harris, Lamont Mack, Curtis Withers, Curtis Nash all shot worse %age wise their senior year from their junior year from both the 3 and 2, so that must mean it was the coaching staffās fault, right?
Crazy may be a little to strong an adjective. Lets just say Misguided. ;D
2k I really think you are a good guy and greatly appreciate the job you do keeping us informed on the recruiting front. You are to be commended.
However your ability to evaluate basketball talent is severely challenged not because Briscoe is not your favorite niner as he is mine. Although you spend so much time focusing on his size and limitations that you are completely blind to the great deal of talents he brings to our team.
Briscoe / Xavier ā¦ 4pts, 5rebs,3ast,1stl 1to in 22 min of play. And youāll comment that other than scoring he brings very little to the table :))
You also evaluate Henry, E. Victor , T. Will, Illa and M. Thorne as a very good recruiting class. Well 1 out of 5 recruits having the skill set to play significant minutes is NOT A GOOD RECRUITING CLASS.
You also had the nerve to predict that Victor should be starting if not Day 1 by A-10 play. Now iām sure Lester will be your next poster child of GREAT FRESHMAN SAVIORS.
I hope you have learned your lesson but iām sure you didnāt.
You also promoted siting Briscoe (12ppg returning starter) and Derrio( 12ppg returning starter A10 preseason all conf selection) on the bench in favor of some freshman kids who are not even that good.
In doing so we have put a product on the floor that is light years worse than what we had. One in which all the defense in the world cant overcome their lack of skill and inexperience offensively.
Now your latest gaffe, is that ILLA a 6ā9 Juco transfer with solid fundamental skills would initially agree to signing with a bottom level team LIKE US, with the predisposition that he would never play only to be used as a practice DUMMY. That is an utterly hilarious statement.
If this was even remotely the case MAJOR SHOULD BE FIRED ON THE SPOTā¦ for even wasting scholarship money on a player with such low self esteem for his basketball abilities.
Stick to your recruiting services you are very good at that.
Evaluating players well not so good. ;D[/quote]
Not exactly a great stat line either. You conveniently left out that he shot 1-7 on the day (0-4 from 3).
Iām not a Briscoe hater by any means, but your touting of him is quite over-the-top at times. Like many negative things about this team, itās the meshing of talent and the coaching at this moment. Sadly, the way Briscoe is being used by us is no different the he was used at NCCU, he has to have too much pressure on him to score and be that burst, so he turns into a volume shooter. There was a point in the season where he performed well, partly b/c we were playing well, and the opponents were easier, allowing for a better flow. Now weāre in a rut and the competition is upped, and this is what happens. I give him credit, heās a warrior though, and even though he is generously listed at 5ā10" he goes after the ball way better then Green (1 reb, 3 TOs). Our best chance to win at the moment (IMO) is with him in the backcourt with Henry, but it has to be an under control Deuce, not the 1-7 Deuce.
[quote=āsokool, post:110, topic:26281ā]You are KIDDING RIGHT :o
Deuce shot 43% fg and 40% 3pt 80% ft avg 12ppg 4reb 3ast 1.5stl over the entire course of A-10 league play last year. Thats effective and efficient production for any player and especially a 1st yr PG in the A-10.
So your analysis of what Briscoe is and can not do is just ā¦well you fill in the gap ;)[/quote]
For his career, heās shooting 38.8% ft and 34.5% from three. For his entire career. Not last year in a10 play. Not on games played on Tuesday or alternating weeks or whatever. For his entire career.
Those are not the numbers of an efficent scorer. You can cherry pick dates and times all you want. But his career numbers make you look like a liar.
And you can blame the system all you want, but its not like he was shooting lights out at central either. 39.1 and 34.5% respectively. Mustāve been the system there too huh?
