[quote=âHonest Niner, post:58, topic:26450â]Isnât that Anothony Davis kid from Kentucky a freshman? He seems to have figured it out at this level.
Also I said if he did not make the jump. Another year of those stats and I think most people will switch over to my way of thinking.
Would rather have high expectations than the " oh weâll at least we have a div 1 team and we did not lose every game so I am happy" level of expectations.[/quote]
I try to be respectable to the non-trolls, but this is ridiculous. Really, take a step back, read what you are saying, and give it some more thought.
We arenât Kentucky. We donât recruit impact freshmen. Not that kind of impact anyways. Comparing our players/recruits to what Kentucky gets is just⌠so ludicrous.
Another year of those stats is EVN as a Sophomore. We arenât talking about that. We are talking Freshman EVN.
No one here has these expectations you speak of. No one at all. Itâs just an absolutely outrageous thing to say. We see things differently than you, but not a single one of us is just happy to have a D1 team that doesnât lose every game.
Evic game us 17 min a game, 3 points and 2 rebounds per game.
Looking at Rivals, here are comparable players to him coming out of high school, all 3 stars.
Dominique McKoy URI, 14 min, 3.1 point 2.1 rebounds.
Josiah Moore (Norcross teammate) Nebraska, 8 min, 1.8 points and 0.6 rebounds. Also of note, his 3 star teammate that went to Richmond redshirted.
Keaton Miles, WVU, 13 min, 1.5 points and 2 rebounds
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Bernard Morena, Auburn. Did not play
David Rivers, Nebraska, 8.6 minutes, 1.1 points 0.9 rebounds
Roosevelt Jones Butler, 28.1 minutes, 8.2 points and 6.2 rebounds
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Andre Henley, left NIU before season started.
Devin Langford, Illinois. Did not play.
John Green, UCSB. 14 min, 5 points 0 rebounds. Only played in 1 game, against a D2 team.
I can keep going, iâm sure Iâll find another Roosevelt Jones but this is getting tiring.
[quote=â49or bust, post:61, topic:26450â][quote=âHonest Niner, post:58, topic:26450â]Isnât that Anothony Davis kid from Kentucky a freshman? He seems to have figured it out at this level.
Also I said if he did not make the jump. Another year of those stats and I think most people will switch over to my way of thinking.
Would rather have high expectations than the " oh weâll at least we have a div 1 team and we did not lose every game so I am happy" level of expectations.[/quote]
I try to be respectable to the non-trolls, but this is ridiculous. Really, take a step back, read what you are saying, and give it some more thought.
We arenât Kentucky. We donât recruit impact freshmen. Not that kind of impact anyways. Comparing our players/recruits to what Kentucky gets is just⌠so ludicrous.
Another year of those stats is EVN as a Sophomore. We arenât talking about that. We are talking Freshman EVN.
No one here has these expectations you speak of. No one at all. Itâs just an absolutely outrageous thing to say. We see things differently than you, but not a single one of us is just happy to have a D1 team that doesnât lose every game.[/quote]
Agreed. Major the recruiter is good. Major the coach is questionable. Lets see what he can do with another year of recruiting and with 2 years of head coaching experience under his belt. Remember, although he had a good pedigree coming in, he was completely green in terms of being a head coach. Sometimes it takes a couple of years to figure it out. Also, I will say that Judy has a pretty good eye for young coaching talent based on her track record. Count me as part of the camp that still thinks Major can get it done.
[quote=âNinerAlum04, post:63, topic:26450â]Agreed. Major the recruiter is good. Major the coach is questionable. Lets see what he can do with another year of recruiting and with 2 years of head coaching experience under his belt. Remember, although he had a good pedigree coming in, he was completely green in terms of being a head coach. Sometimes it takes a couple of years to figure it out. Also, I will say that Judy has a pretty good eye for young coaching talent based on her track record. Count me as part of the camp that still thinks Major can get it done.[/quote] I think this is about where I am at as a fan. Major is still a question mark as a coach, but itâs really hard to tell much with how many minutes freshmen are playing. And we wonât really know how good those recruits are until later in their careers. I really like the fact that heâs been bringing in mostly 4 year players and didnât go the route of Lebo at ECU or similar by bringing in a bunch of jucos to try to win early. All 3 of the recruits coming in look to have solid potential to develop into very good players.
Comparing our freshmen to instant impact recruits like Davis is crazy, but I am disappointed in the overall improvement of the team over the course of the season. I know that most improvement for young players comes offseason before year 2 or 3. Thatâs when they can build strength, get more reps working on specific aspects of their games, etc. But that Duquesne game was really disheartening, and suggested the team hadnât made much improvement over their early season form and the team defense seems to have gotten worse. Itâs been a while since I looked back on a Niner season and thought âthey looked better at the end of the season than they did at the beginning and middleâ. Maybe some of Lutzâ earlier teams you could see that pretty clearly.
Lets see, while averaging 17 mins a game Nickerson managed:
FG% 32%
3P% 11%
1 Turnover a game
3 PPG
2RPG.
If you think these are schollie worthy stats for playing 17mins a game, then you need to pass whatever it is you are smoking cause I need a hit![/quote]
You forgot heâs the 2nd best FT shooter among Majorâs recruits at .558%. 4 star talent!
Iâd sure love to inherit garbage like Braswell! Make more excuses so we can give Major more time, a bad coach is a bad coach. Sure he can recruit a 4 star player, to bad he canât coach or manage a game. Major has been one of the worst Iâve ever seen at game management. Timeoutâs when you have momentum, classic.
And what do you think is going to happen next year? Your waiting a year to see what next yearâs freshman will bring playing heavy minutes. You got Braswell, Mayfield, and Henry as starters. Then what?? Briscoe? Williams? Freshman?
Your going to have the same excuses next year, âthey are just freshman playing a lot of minutesâ.
99 trolls harder than Sokool. All you care about is Braswell. That is the only player we have. No one else is worth a shit and when Major took over that is all he had. He had Spears who we knew as soon as Lutz left how he felt and was gonna be a cancer. He got three failed drug tests in the off season. He had Jones who he actually made look good. He had a Briscoe transfer that we knew shot a ton and scored too. Green who was Bowden 2.0.
Last year green had the worst shooting % other than morningwood. The WORST. There were also only 2 people lower than him in 3%. He is garbage. Briscoe had the 8th fg% including Sprears and the 5th 3%. Colby shot a higher 3% than Deuce. Yes, a WALK ON had a higher 3% than Deuce Briscoe. The rest of our contributors were JB who didnât shoot enough but was productive, Jones who couldnât make Câs, Wilderness, Sherrill who got injured at midnight madness, Sirin, Dew, Lewis, and morningwood.
Major got delt garbage and had garbage results. This year we brought in freshman and got better. We threw them into the fire and got some good stuff and plenty of bad stuff. We won more and got marginally better.
Iâd say our whole teams accepted losing for a long time. Henry and Braswell react the way I feel when I see us losing. Thatâs what I want out of our teams, to be as upset as we are as fans when we lose.[/quote]
DisagreeâŚI hate losing and you do, but I think our players do as well and always have. The question is what do you do about it. Just because it happens doesnât mean anyone really âacceptsâ it.
Canât be longer than what the season felt like - I found being a decent team missing open shots much more frustrating than being a bad team. I am just glad I donât have to watch us miss shots and FTs for awhile.
Canât be longer than what the season felt like - I found being a decent team missing open shots much more frustrating than being a bad team. I am just glad I donât have to watch us miss shots and FTs for awhile.[/quote]
Ok so maybe the Davis comparison was a bit much. (Although it was intersting to see everyone go "But he was a five star!! And when I make a big deal about stars and ratings everyone goes âStars dont tell the whole picture!â Just saying ⌠;))
Lets look closer to home then. I would say that both Henry and Williams out performed E-Vic. Henry was a stud almost from the first tip off so no need for a discussion there. With Williams I at least saw improvement. His drives got more incontrol, he stopped the boneheaded passes, and his jump shot improved hand over fist. At the beging of the year when he would shoot it I would cringe and pray that it would go in, now I half way expect it to. E-Vic has just not shown that kind of game or improvement and I think the numbers that I posted resonate that point.
As for the talent that lutz left. Hard to argue Braz was not talent, but I agree there was not much left besides Braz in the cupboard.
Canât be longer than what the season felt like - I found being a decent team missing open shots much more frustrating than being a bad team. I am just glad I donât have to watch us miss shots and FTs for awhile.[/quote]
This is the last loooooooong offseason, too. Football next fall. Spring game just after basketball season ends. ;D
